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Estes - A.R.V. Condor (2075) [1993-2004]

Manufacturer:Estes
Diameter:0.9760 inches
Skill Level:2
Style:Glider
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Estes A.R.V. CondorBrief:
Single stage piggy back boost launch glider design with two gliders. The glider's wings act as rocket fins during boost then separate using the ejection charge to deploy the gliders. The rocket booster body recovers with a streamer.

Construction:
The kit includes 4 body tubes. Two larger ones are for the booster and two smaller tubes for the glider fuselages. Also supplied are 3 plastic nose cones and vacuum formed thin white plastic parts to hold the nose and tail of each glider in alignment on the booster body tube.

There are good instructions that are easy to follow in the kit. No special tools are need for this kit. Care must be taken during construction of the glider wings. The wing tips angle downward from the main wing section and alignment is tricky. The kit supplies a template to get the angle just right and it is glued using tape on a flat surface. The only other tricky part is the alignment of the upper glider nose mount. Both of these must me positioned correctly so that the nose of both gliders fit in and are held in position for launch. The plastic is thin and has to be trimmed so that they don't interfere with each other as they wrap around the body tube. Build the gliders before gluing upper separation mounts in place so that you can check for proper alignment when gluing. I found this white plastic hard to work with, as regular glue didn't stick very well and I had to use some 5 minute epoxy. The bungee cord was small and short. All together it was a pretty good kit and it went together in about 2 days time, not including finishing and decals.

Estes A.R.V. CondorEstes A.R.V. Condor

Finishing:
Model was painted with Testor's white spray paint from a small can. This stuff looks good but is way too heavy for the gliders!

On setup for launch, make sure gliders are lined up vertically and with each other. Having said that, after many launches it doesn't appear to be all that critical for a good boost.

I recommend leaving the paint off of the gliders and just coloring them with a bright color magic marker and then one or two coats of 50% thinned AeroGloss model airplane dope to add water resistance.

Construction Rating: 3 out of 5

Flight:
The best flights I've had are on a C6-5 because all of the paint and epoxy repairs. Use plenty of wadding so that the bungee cord and streamer do not burn or melt. The cord and streamer fit closely to the engine.

I have used C6-3 and C6-5 on the A.R.V. Condor with good trajectory every time.

Test fly your gliders by hand before launch and use the clay provided in the kit to balance them just right. One of my gliders flys great and the other one always tightens up into a spiral descent despite numerous attempts to balance and trim it with the clay. Again, I should not have painted the gliders!

Estes A.R.V. Condor

Recovery:
The upper and lower body tubes fit together tightly so that there is a real pop on ejection. On the very first launch, the short shock cord pulled loose from its mount. It is probably short to prevent tangling with the gliders but after rigging a longer cord with rubber bands using a hole in the side of the lower body tube and a knot, I had no problems. The body tubes still slam together and collapse the tube openings on every launch.

When launching you need at least two people and preferably three or four with one person assigned to tracking one glider each and one to the booster. It is very cool when they all separate at apogee! Lots of stuff happening.

After more than 10 launches on this model, it looks pretty rough! The body tubes are wrinkled and the upper glider mounts have broken/come unglued and been repaired with fiberglass cloth and epoxy. After one launch, the engine stuck in the engine mount and had to be extracted with pliers causing damage to the lower body tube area and lower glider mounts. This was repaired with 3/4oz fiberglass cloth and epoxy. The streamer has numerous burn holes and melt spots. The glider nose cones have brown dirt on the tips from kids "test gliding" after recovery. The tiny launch lugs have been glued, replaced, and re-glued.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
The A.R.V. Condor is a really fun! It is a good kit with well written instructions. The best part of this model is the recovery! Watching the gliders circle slowly over head is way cool!

The only problems are that you need three people to track all the descending objects at once. Not a good idea to fly this on in any kind of wind, unless you have a really big field. Also the shock cord needs to be longer. Perhaps the fit between the body tubes could be loosened up to ease the shock of ejection a bit.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

    Flight Log

    DateRocket NameMotor(s)AltitudeNotes
    1969-12-31Dick Stafford's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- gliders didn't glide too well but were undamaged, came down in a steep spiral
    1998-03-12Casey Smith's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Boy, what a great flight, this kit went pretty much straight up. Nice boost. The gliders worked...
    1999-04-28Eric Miller's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Nice straight high flight, always a good performer. After ejection fired the gliders deployed. My...
    2000-03-05Robert Geer's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- One of the gliders is a replacement for one that was lost(glided too good!) and needs some more...
    2000-05-13David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Nominal flight; gliders recovered easily but the booster was deemed MIA after a 30-minute search....
    2000-06-04Eric Miller's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-7- Ejection charge did not separate the body sections to release the gliders. Not very pretty. Death...
    2000-08-13David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Unbelievable that we recovered everything, given the wind and miserable conditions.
    2000-09-09David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Nominal flight; landed within 20 feet of a large tree near the stream.
    2000-10-02Jeff Skinner's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-2- Fast ejection, didn't get much higher than the 1st flight. 1 bird soared forever and I had a half...
    2000-10-02Jeff Skinner's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- AWESOME maiden voyage. Winds were a little high with lots of drift but I had a big field. 1 glider...
    2000-10-15Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Great first flight. Straight with clean deployment. Gliders worked great and landed 30 feet apart,...
    2000-11-03Larry Zeilmann's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- good flight
    2000-11-19Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Very Impressive flight. Late Deployment Gliders and rocket landed within 50 feet of eachother....
    2000-11-24Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-7- I puckered on this launch. Model rose to 200 feet, did a swirl, then went near horizontal, wildy...
    2000-11-24Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Excellent launch. Straight up. Chute deployed at apogee. Delay worked great; 2 seconds is just...
    2001-03-11Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great flight. Excellent glide from both gliders.
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- complete damage. Half way thhrough the flight orange glider wing fell off. Nose cone exploded. The...
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Booster landed right in front of me. Glider hit the launch rod.
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- need more thrust. Perfect glider recovery
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Not high enough but still a perfect flight although the shock cord burned in half
    2001-04-13Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Gliders need a little more trim work, but appears to be a real crowd pleaser. (I'll power up more...
    2001-04-14Andrew MacMillen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great flight, gliders flew a bit far down wind.
    2001-04-14Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Good launch. Had to borrow Aurora nose cone. I love this rocket.
    2001-04-21Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Not a very straight flight. Orange glider wing was ripped off. Either this rocket cant take the...
    2001-04-29Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- The rocket looped over after lift off deploying avout 50 feet off the ground. I think it hass...
    2001-05-05Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Gliders performed much better after extensive trim work. Booster came down through tree branches...
    2001-05-06Larry Zeilmann's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- gliders almost blew away
    2001-06-17Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Like someone just whacked the pinata. Never a dull moment.
    2001-06-24Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Is there anything you can do to minimize the Estes Dent on one of these things?
    2001-07-02Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Sections failed to seperate at ejection and the whole unit crashed to the ground. HARD!!! It will...
    2001-07-10Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Used this smaller motor to keep altitude to a minimum because of the wind. Rocket flew into the...
    2001-07-22Mehringer's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- beautiful trimmed gliders soared approx 1:30 sec. Fuselage recovery at pad.
    2001-08-12William Frazier's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Another nice flight, had to walk a ways for the gliders.
    2001-08-12William Frazier's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Didn't want to walk so used smaller motor. Deployed late.
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great launch, fast off the pad. Ejected WAY to early, but I wanted to test it. Altitude was around...
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Nice launch, ejection very early but gliders and streamer deployed. Altitude was around 400'. One...
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Rocket flew straight up with slow climb, Ejection was perfect, gliders worked well. Altitude was...
    2001-10-13Dick Stafford's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- not enough engine for this model!
    2002-02-08Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4200 feet Strange boost. Arched over at about 200 feet. Nice glide from both gliders. No damage.
    2002-02-10Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Arched after liftoff and ejected just before impact. Retired due to growing weaknesses in the...
    2002-08-16Jason Vennard's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Maiden flight. Nice slow, but arching flight, at ejection gliders worked well. Body 12 reefed...
    2003-06-15James Reyome's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Estes has a winner here. Mind you, the kevlar (looked like sewing thread to me!) shock cord burned...
    2005-01-21Andrew Grippo's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Cool Flight! Gliders came off at ejection perfectly and rotated down to the ground like two...
    2005-06-15Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3200 feet Good straight boost. One glider circles nicely the other spirals in quickly. Upper and lower...
    2005-06-15Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3165 feet Good flight straight boost. One glider still circling nicely while the other one comes down...
    2005-10-22James Reyome's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- First flight since refit (almost a complete rebuild all the way down to paint!) and it was super!...
    2006-03-16Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-2100 feet Good straight boost. Both gliders seperated cleanly. Glider #2 circled down tightly. Glider #1...
    2006-05-21Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Both gliders deployed and chased each other in tight circles with the body tube descending on a...
    2006-06-16Anonymous Joe's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Summer camp launch. Arched some, ejected around the apogee. Booster and gliders recovered without...
    2006-10-08Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Tight spirals from both gliders. Nice.
    2007-04-24Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5150 feet Nominal boost. Followed launch with JVC video cam and home made aiming scope. Saw ejection and...
    2007-05-08Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2100 feet Nice boost. Ejection charge spun both gliders around in the air! Then one dropped into a circling...
    2007-05-12Bob Harrington's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Gliders spiraled down. need trimmimg
    2008-05-10Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Wonderful tight inertwined circles for the two gliders.
    2008-08-19Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5372 feet Nice straight launch this time. Aligned gliders carefully just before launch. Crepe paper...
    2008-08-19Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5361 feet Turned quickly North after leaving launch rod. Must have had gliders angled in hold brackets....
    2010-07-18Ken Tsai's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Shake down flight. Gliders came down a shade fast.
    2010-08-21David Sindel's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4-
    2011-01-02Ken Tsai's Estes A.R.V. Condorc6-3- Glider fun

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