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Estes - A.R.V. Condor (2075) [1993-2004]

Manufacturer:Estes
Diameter:0.9760 inches
Skill Level:2
Style:Glider
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Contributed by Chris Taylor Jr.

[Rocket Pic]Parts and Supplies

Hobby Knife, Sand Paper (220 grit), Glue (I used Thick CA), Ruler, Pen or Pencil, Desired paint etc..

Assembly

[Rocket Pic]Compare the parts in the box with the parts list in the instructions. Separate all balsa parts from balsa stock and sand trim as needed. Assemble wings, there are two and make sure you make a left and right for each wing set. You will use the included template to get proper dihedral on the outer wings. Important for the center dihedral: read ahead in the instructions before gluing especially if you use CA glue!

Attach dowel rods to rear of each glider body (BT-5's). Be careful, my marking guide was not large enough for the tubes and so the dowel lines and wing line did not line up properly! 

Attach vertical stabilizers and wing panels to body tubes and attach wing panels to body tubes and you have the finished gliders. Make measurement, and cut for engine hook. Install slide adapter in place.   Glue and slide engine block into place and glue as well.  

Glue nose cone base into nose cone for main body tube. Smear glue inside body tube and slide engine mount quickly into place so rear of motor mount tube is flush with rear of main body tube. Tie shock cord to nose cone. Glue nose cone into place after sliding shock cord down longer tube. Be careful to minimize the amount of glue you get on the shock cord.  

[Rocket Pic]I made my modification here. I installed the shock cord through the tube adapter and then glued adapter in place (much stronger). Glue adapter into bottom (shorter) tube. DO NOT GLUE into top (longer) tube because it needs to separate here![Rocket Pic]

Using the marking guide, mark the main body tube. Cut out and carefully trim plastic parts for glider retention. Test fit these and trim as needed. Glue plastic components into place carefully . . . alignment is critical. Glue launch lugs into place as well.   Attach streamer to shock cord now.  [Rocket Pic]

Finishing

Since I wanted to maintain some performance I used one coat of glossy white paint and no primer and sealer to save weight. I choose to use Glossy White Spray paint (Testor's) although I would have preferred a slight Pearl Gray White. This color was handy and close enough.

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Personal Notes

It is definitely a level 2 kit. I would make it a level 3 kit.  I had no problem assembling but the average level 2 person may experience problems.

[Rocket Pic]The portion of the directions on the wing panel assembly needs to be updated.   Although I was aware of it, no one reads the booklet first and then builds and the part on wing dihedral came too late especially if you use a fast glue like CA. If you assemble the wings by placing them on flat surface, like directions say, and then read the part about placing a tube under one wing for correct dihedral, it is probably too late since the glue is now dry! 

Otherwise, good directions and good parts. I had trouble with old balsa and old decals. I attribute this to the fact that the kit sat in my basement for over 3 years. I have no doubt it would
be fine if I went out right now and bought one.  

As illustrated above I was not satisfied with shock cord installation so I modified this from what the direction with the model suggested.  

Be sure to note that the marking guide for the small glider tube on my kit did not fit right. Be sure to note this and make appropriate changes as needed on your model.  

[Rocket Pic]Dowel rod placement is critical for this determines how tight the glider is held by the booster and therefore how easily the booster will release the glider in flight.  

Decals are water transfer and a pain. I ripped a lot of them. Either they were way too thin (I like pressure sensitive and ones I don't have to cut out) or the fact that this model was rather old (sat in my room downstairs for about 3 years since I bought it still sealed in plastic . . . I bought two since I liked it so much . . . I never finished the first and lost many parts so I built this one).

Flight Report

I had a tough time trimming for flight since I goofed on main wing dihedral (not enough). Be careful on this part. Flight trimming is important and I advise you to trim and beat it up before painting so that when you paint it you cover up any repairs from test flying the gliders. They will usually need a little tail weight and every one I have made OR saw fly has always been left wing heavy, therefore, you may need to add a little weight to right wing. Also when you trim fly, don't just toss it . . . really heave them, like baseballs, straight up. You may prang it until you balance it but it is worth it once you get it going right.

Straight up boost and release and "Man, it is COOOL . . . " to watch these things fly and properly trimmed they land within 50 feet of each other as they circle each other. Word of advise: they really glide well when trimmed properly. Do not fly on a "C" motor unless you have a lot of field to fly it in. You may not get a glider or 2 back! 

We plan to do a 3-way Drag race next time with 2 others who have this kit and have 6 gliders in the air at once.

This kit is also begging to be upscaled to RC size with two radio systems and two pilots for double the fun!

Overall rating is 4 out of 5, only because of the pain of trimming that plastic and the direction's "blind spot" (at least have the two steps on the same page).

 

    Flight Log

    DateRocket NameMotor(s)AltitudeNotes
    1969-12-31Dick Stafford's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- gliders didn't glide too well but were undamaged, came down in a steep spiral
    1998-03-12Casey Smith's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Boy, what a great flight, this kit went pretty much straight up. Nice boost. The gliders worked...
    1999-04-28Eric Miller's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Nice straight high flight, always a good performer. After ejection fired the gliders deployed. My...
    2000-03-05Robert Geer's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- One of the gliders is a replacement for one that was lost(glided too good!) and needs some more...
    2000-05-13David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Nominal flight; gliders recovered easily but the booster was deemed MIA after a 30-minute search....
    2000-06-04Eric Miller's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-7- Ejection charge did not separate the body sections to release the gliders. Not very pretty. Death...
    2000-08-13David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Unbelievable that we recovered everything, given the wind and miserable conditions.
    2000-09-09David Pacheco's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Nominal flight; landed within 20 feet of a large tree near the stream.
    2000-10-02Jeff Skinner's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-2- Fast ejection, didn't get much higher than the 1st flight. 1 bird soared forever and I had a half...
    2000-10-02Jeff Skinner's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- AWESOME maiden voyage. Winds were a little high with lots of drift but I had a big field. 1 glider...
    2000-10-15Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Great first flight. Straight with clean deployment. Gliders worked great and landed 30 feet apart,...
    2000-11-03Larry Zeilmann's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- good flight
    2000-11-19Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Very Impressive flight. Late Deployment Gliders and rocket landed within 50 feet of eachother....
    2000-11-24Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-7- I puckered on this launch. Model rose to 200 feet, did a swirl, then went near horizontal, wildy...
    2000-11-24Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Excellent launch. Straight up. Chute deployed at apogee. Delay worked great; 2 seconds is just...
    2001-03-11Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great flight. Excellent glide from both gliders.
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- complete damage. Half way thhrough the flight orange glider wing fell off. Nose cone exploded. The...
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Booster landed right in front of me. Glider hit the launch rod.
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- need more thrust. Perfect glider recovery
    2001-03-25Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Not high enough but still a perfect flight although the shock cord burned in half
    2001-04-13Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Gliders need a little more trim work, but appears to be a real crowd pleaser. (I'll power up more...
    2001-04-14Andrew MacMillen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great flight, gliders flew a bit far down wind.
    2001-04-14Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Good launch. Had to borrow Aurora nose cone. I love this rocket.
    2001-04-21Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Not a very straight flight. Orange glider wing was ripped off. Either this rocket cant take the...
    2001-04-29Ed Scientist's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- The rocket looped over after lift off deploying avout 50 feet off the ground. I think it hass...
    2001-05-05Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Gliders performed much better after extensive trim work. Booster came down through tree branches...
    2001-05-06Larry Zeilmann's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- gliders almost blew away
    2001-06-17Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Like someone just whacked the pinata. Never a dull moment.
    2001-06-24Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Is there anything you can do to minimize the Estes Dent on one of these things?
    2001-07-02Bill Eichelberger's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Sections failed to seperate at ejection and the whole unit crashed to the ground. HARD!!! It will...
    2001-07-10Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Used this smaller motor to keep altitude to a minimum because of the wind. Rocket flew into the...
    2001-07-22Mehringer's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- beautiful trimmed gliders soared approx 1:30 sec. Fuselage recovery at pad.
    2001-08-12William Frazier's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Another nice flight, had to walk a ways for the gliders.
    2001-08-12William Frazier's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-4- Didn't want to walk so used smaller motor. Deployed late.
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Great launch, fast off the pad. Ejected WAY to early, but I wanted to test it. Altitude was around...
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Nice launch, ejection very early but gliders and streamer deployed. Altitude was around 400'. One...
    2001-09-02Carl Tulanko's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Rocket flew straight up with slow climb, Ejection was perfect, gliders worked well. Altitude was...
    2001-10-13Dick Stafford's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- not enough engine for this model!
    2002-02-08Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4200 feet Strange boost. Arched over at about 200 feet. Nice glide from both gliders. No damage.
    2002-02-10Donald Besaw's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Arched after liftoff and ejected just before impact. Retired due to growing weaknesses in the...
    2002-08-16Jason Vennard's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Maiden flight. Nice slow, but arching flight, at ejection gliders worked well. Body 12 reefed...
    2003-06-15James Reyome's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Estes has a winner here. Mind you, the kevlar (looked like sewing thread to me!) shock cord burned...
    2005-01-21Andrew Grippo's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Cool Flight! Gliders came off at ejection perfectly and rotated down to the ground like two...
    2005-06-15Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3200 feet Good straight boost. One glider circles nicely the other spirals in quickly. Upper and lower...
    2005-06-15Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3165 feet Good flight straight boost. One glider still circling nicely while the other one comes down...
    2005-10-22James Reyome's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- First flight since refit (almost a complete rebuild all the way down to paint!) and it was super!...
    2006-03-16Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-2100 feet Good straight boost. Both gliders seperated cleanly. Glider #2 circled down tightly. Glider #1...
    2006-05-21Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Both gliders deployed and chased each other in tight circles with the body tube descending on a...
    2006-06-16Anonymous Joe's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5- Summer camp launch. Arched some, ejected around the apogee. Booster and gliders recovered without...
    2006-10-08Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2- Tight spirals from both gliders. Nice.
    2007-04-24Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5150 feet Nominal boost. Followed launch with JVC video cam and home made aiming scope. Saw ejection and...
    2007-05-08Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorB4-2100 feet Nice boost. Ejection charge spun both gliders around in the air! Then one dropped into a circling...
    2007-05-12Bob Harrington's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4- Gliders spiraled down. need trimmimg
    2008-05-10Edward Chess's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-3- Wonderful tight inertwined circles for the two gliders.
    2008-08-19Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5372 feet Nice straight launch this time. Aligned gliders carefully just before launch. Crepe paper...
    2008-08-19Hank Helmen's Estes A.R.V. CondorC6-5361 feet Turned quickly North after leaving launch rod. Must have had gliders angled in hold brackets....
    2010-07-18Ken Tsai's Estes A.R.V. CondorA8-3- Shake down flight. Gliders came down a shade fast.
    2010-08-21David Sindel's Estes A.R.V. CondorB6-4-
    2011-01-02Ken Tsai's Estes A.R.V. Condorc6-3- Glider fun

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