M2L2 - Mini Marz Lander LauncherModification Contributed by Dick Stafford
Brief: For this 2-stager, an Estes Mini Marz Lander serves as both the nosecone and second stage. The main rocket has a 29mm motor mount, while the Lander flies on 13mm motors. This review will focus on the method of adapting the Lander to the booster rocket.
Construction:
- One Estes Mini Marz Lander
- One booster made from a 2" diameter mailing tube. The booster includes a 29mm motor mount, fins made from copper-clad G10 circuit boards, and Blacksky rail buttons.
- One additional 2" x 44" mailing tube, with full-length telescoping tube (bought from The Container Store).
- One 2" x 8" clear plastic mailing tube, with plastic end caps (also from The Container Store)
- 12" of 24 ga wire, screw terminal connector, G10 plate, G-Wiz altimeter
- Two plywood bulkplates (1/4")
- One eye bolt with related hardware.
- Misc. nuts and bolts to attach the payload section
- 1/4" tubular Kevlar shock cord
- Whatever chute I grab from the range box
I originally bought the Mini Marz Lander to use as a fixed nosecone. However, I just couldn't bring myself to cut it up and remove its legs. Instead, I decided to use it as a nosecone as-is, and to try to stage it from the booster rocket.
Rummaging around my "bone yard", I found the remains of a 2" diameter rocket that had a 29mm motor mount. A bit much for what I needed, but it was the right diameter (2"). I needed some more tubing and a way to mount my G-Wiz altimeter. I went to the Container Store and found both cardboard and clear plastic tubes in this diameter. The latter seemed perfect for an altimeter bay, since I'd be able to see the LEDS on the G-Wiz with the rocket fully assembled.
I used about 12 inches of the paper tube to extend the existing booster (the white section just above the silver-colored booster), and made a payload section out of another 7 inches (the red section above that). I made a shoulder using a piece of the telescoping tubing, a home made plywood bulkhead, and an eyebolt.
I removed one of the plastic caps from the clear mailing tube and inserted the tube into the end of the paper tube. The fit was tight, and to make sure it wouldn't come apart, I attached it with four small screws. The other plastic cap became the closure for the top of the altimeter bay, and is also attached with small screws. A plywood bulkhead was bolted to it, and the pair was drilled to accept the wiring for the altimeter. The altimeter-end of the wires were tinned and a small set of screw terminals were mounted on the other end. This bulkhead was glued onto another small section of cardboard tubing (the red section above the clear bay).
The final component is an adapter for the Lander (the small white tube at the top, just beneath the Lander). This was notched to match the Lander's legs and launch lugs. A small piece of the telescoping tubing was glued in, and this assembly slid into the fixed portion of the adapter. This was meant to be quickly removable to facilitate wiring the Lander's igniter.
Flight: To prep the altimeter, G-Wiz was mounted to a section of G10 that fit snugly into the clear tube (a board from another application). It was inserted and the upper cap was secured with 2 screws. The igniter was inserted into the Lander's motor and secured with masking tape. The igniter leads were attached to the screw terminals, and continuity was visually confirmed at the G-Wiz. The lander used Estes wadding and the booster used a Giant Leap Kevlar pad.
I have tried this three times, but it only worked once. The logs should appear at the bottom of this page. The first time, the Estes igniter (this had thin tail wires soldered to it) lit but the motor didn't go. It was still taped into the motor at recovery. The next time, the home-made Igniterman igniter didn't fire. The igniter worked on the ground later that day, I suspect the problem was that the G-Wiz never armed due to the slow acceleration under F20 power. Of course, I could have determined this by seeing if the G-Wiz flashed out an altitude, but DUH, I didn't. On the third try, I used a Quickburst igniter. This time the Lander staged, but I had another minor problem. I had the G-Wiz set to detect launch rather than the burnout of the booster, so the Lander took-off shortly after launch. It arced to the side, and the booster, sans nose cone, continued up. Well, the flight was fun and both pieces were recovered, so I shouldn't complain.
Summary: This rocket's booster design is overly complicated since I threw it together instead of thinking it through. However, my main goal was to stage the Lander, and that finally worked. The result was a unique rocket that got the crowd's attention. This is also was the biggest range of thrust levels that I.ve seen in a staged rocket, with the G motor's thrust being approximately 64x that of the A10 in the Lander.
Flight Log| Date | Rocket Name | Motor(s) | Altitude | Notes |
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| 2000-03-05 | Robert Geer's Estes Mini Marz Lander | C6-7 | - | Fast Straight Boost, loud too! Chute opened a little after apogee, landed about 40 feet from th e... | | 2000-03-25 | Robert Geer's Estes Mini Marz Lander | C6-7 | - | Another great flight, I get a real kick out of the crowds reaction. Worth the $7! | | 2000-04-02 | Robert Geer's Estes Mini Marz Lander | C6-7 | - | Good boost, late ejection with the chute in a wad, no damage. I'll use C6-5 next time. | | 2000-04-15 | Ben Snider's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | rocket went up pretty strait to about 120 Ft. tes the ejection was 1-2 seconds past apogee and... | | 2000-07-19 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great little flier for the money. It barely makes it over the tree in the front yard. This kit is... | | 2000-09-02 | Robert Geer's Estes Mini Marz Lander | C6-7 | - | Another great flight, landed real close to the pad due to the fact that the chute finally opened... | | 2000-11-04 | Dick Stafford's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | The Lander is the 2nd stage/nosecone for a 29mm rocket. On this flight, I tried to stage a F20 to... | | 2000-12-30 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Another good flight, maybe 80 feet high, great fun | | 2000-12-31 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | 1/4A3-2 | - | One of the kids in the club wanted to fly it, I had no idea he would put this little motor in it.... | | 2001-01-07 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Finally, a nice day here, and a nice boost here in the rocket barn back yard. The dogs love to... | | 2001-02-10 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Crashed nose down into concrete from 150 feet. Total loss. | | 2001-03-10 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Good flight just before I leave for a new high power field. It will be a good day. | | 2001-03-24 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Exploded on the pad. | | 2001-03-30 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great boost, went straight up. How long will the shock cord last? | | 2001-04-18 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great little flight, it stopped dead in the air with the wind. Good deploy, short walk, no damage. | | 2001-04-24 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Finally a good flight for a change. It was nice to do without a CATO or crash. These two events... | | 2001-05-05 | Casey Smith's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great boost up into the wind, the chute actually deployed, melted part of the chute, will put a... | | 2001-06-09 | Dick Stafford's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | OK flight, burned thru the shroud lines, soft landing on soft grass | | 2001-11-03 | Grant Gibson's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Brilliant maiden flight, went up to about 300ft and the parachute ejected and opened perfectly.... | | 2001-12-15 | Grant Gibson's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Again a superb flight, with the 'chute making a perefect recovery. | | 2002-01-18 | Grant Gibson's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Due to the high winds, the rocket took off and then started to go horizontal about 100 ft up then... | | 2002-02-09 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Nice flight. Landed, bounced, and landed back upright. No damage. | | 2002-05-29 | EMRR's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Much better this time, but still the parachute did not come out of the nose cone. | | 2002-06-03 | Bill Eichelberger's Estes Mini Marz Lander | 1/2A3-2 | - | Not a bad little rocket, but things get pretty cramped in the nose cone when the chute and wadding... | | 2002-06-03 | Bill Eichelberger's Estes Mini Marz Lander | 1/2A3-2 | - | Not a bad little rocket, but it gets mighty cramped in that nose when you pack it. | | 2002-06-06 | EMRR's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Went great, nice and straight up. Turned over, eject popped, nose cone stayed on, thump! Damaged... | | 2002-07-14 | Bill Eichelberger's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Another kid favorite. Recovered closest to the pad. | | 2002-07-18 | Bill Eichelberger's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Shock cord is almost burned through. I'll replace it with a length of Kevlar. Great flight. One of... | | 2002-09-01 | Bill Eichelberger's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | | | 2002-10-02 | John Rowan-Stern's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | Lawn dart. Need I say more? 4 seconds for ejection seems long. Will try again with rod straight up. | | 2002-10-09 | John Rowan-Stern's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-4 | - | I'll say jection happened late...like when it was stuck upside down in the dirt. This rocket will... | | 2002-10-31 | Rod Thrasher's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | And another great flight. | | 2003-01-05 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Nice flight. Chute got fused together at ejection, came in fast but no damage. | | 2003-02-01 | Michael Simpson's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | | | 2003-04-12 | Jason Vennard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Adequate at best on the boost, ok flight. Chute didn't open but landed without damage. 12 plastic... | | 2003-04-26 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Model went unstable as it cleared the rod. | | 2003-05-01 | Rod Thrasher's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great flight. | | 2003-05-27 | Jason Vennard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Surprised by a near perfect flight, low altitude but everything was right on time, fairly straight... | | 2003-09-01 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Nice flight. I wrapped the chute in wadding which seemed to work well, I didn't notice any... | | 2003-09-07 | Rod Thrasher's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | 'chute did not open. | | 2003-11-15 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Broke the shock cord, but no damage. | | 2003-12-13 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Parachute never deployed. Model recovered OK. | | 2004-02-14 | Donald Besaw's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Wind test, nice flight. A little late on the ejection due to launch rod angle but otherwise OK. No... | | 2004-02-21 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Changed parachute attachment point so that parachute would deploy. Looks like it worked. | | 2004-02-26 | Rod Thrasher's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | 'chute did not open. It keeps getting stuck in the nose. | | 2004-03-20 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Good flight. | | 2004-05-11 | Rod Thrasher's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great flight. | | 2005-01-15 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Chute didn't deploy, but recovered without damage. | | 2005-04-16 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-2 | - | Great flight. Last of the A3-2T's, though. | | 2006-05-26 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A3-4 | - | straight up, four second delay too long, landed hard due to parachute not deploying. | | 2006-06-03 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | straight up and down, poor packing of parachute caused the parachute to fry, shock cord badly... | | 2006-06-08 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | parachute failed to deploy. hard landing, no damage | | 2006-07-01 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | ouch! hard landing, no damage | | 2006-07-08 | Dick Stafford's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Nice flight. | | 2007-04-01 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | practically hit the ground before parachute deployed - no damage | | 2007-04-02 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | B6-0/1/2A3-4 | - | chad staged, first attempt, excellent flight, very stable, wrong choice of sustainer, thoughti had... | | 2007-04-02 | Matt Gillard's Estes Mini Marz Lander | C6-0/A3-4 | - | Extra mass of a C motor lowered CG to low, rocket went unstable finding the ground quickly, quite... | | 2007-06-09 | Geoffrey Kerbel's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | 150 feet | WOW! Straight up and chute came out! Came down about 50' from pad. Great flight for once. | | 2007-07-22 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Didn't get the chute deployed. No damage to vehicle. | | 2007-11-18 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Great flight. | | 2009-04-19 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Good flight. | | 2010-04-17 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | Good flight | | 2011-02-20 | Bob Bernatchez's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3T | - | Wish they made a 2 second delay | | 2011-08-07 | Dick Stafford's Estes Mini Marz Lander | A10-3 | - | |
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Dick Stafford (March 26, 2011)