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REV 2.4 - Wed May 26 00:00:15 2010

Aerotech
Initiator Starter Set
2113 W. 850 N. Street
Cedar City, UT 84720
(435)-865-7100
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SPECS: 39 x 2.6 - 13.8 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: E18-4W, E11-3J, E28-4T, F24-4W, F12-3J, F39-6T, E16-4W, E23-5T, F40-7W, F22-5J, F52-8T, G33-7J, G64-7W, E15-4W, E30-4T, F20-4W, F23-4FJ, F25-6W, F50-6T, G35-7W, G38-7FJ, G40-7W, G80-7T

Aerotech - Initiator Starter Set review is provided courtesy of:
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It was my 14th birthday-- my birthday present was a mid-power starter set. My dad and I headed down to the hobby shop to browse the selections. This particular shop had two choices. The NCR Phantom 4000 set and the Aerotech Initiator set. We looked at each and chose the AT Initiator, not only was it a good value, but it looked like a nice kit and came with two engines. Included were several components in the set. 

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Mantis Launch Pad 

The Mantis launch pad is built primarily of a reasonably sturdy-grade plastic (except for the leg holders which are very weak) and can be easily be constructed in half an hour or so. It features a launch lug adapter that takes the standard Estes rod and their Maxi rod, plus a 3/8 launch rod which is included with the set. This is a downside to the pad--it cannot be fitted with anything but these three rods. However, this kit is designed for mid-power, not high power and all of AT’s rockets come with 3/8 inch launch lugs as far as I know. I would not launch anything larger than a G off this pad. 

When I opened the box to assemble the pad, I noticed some of the pieces were cracked or broken: mainly the ones that hold the four metal legs on the pad. I sent them back and was told by AeroTech they must have been part of a defective batch of plastic and they were replaced promptly and at no charge. Sadly, however, soon after someone accidentally stepped on the pad breaking many plastic pieces. Luckily they were all easily replaced again. But that was not the end…later, as I was taking the pad outside to take some photos, one of the pad’s legs lightly bumped the door to my house. The joint of a leg had cracked again. I placed it carefully on the ground and looked at the damage. The cracked leg gave way after several seconds and the pad fell breaking two more legs in the process. This is a serious problem with this launch pad. The leg holders break under very little pressure and this is the only major downside to the pad. If the problem were fixed, and the weak plastic leg holders were replaced by metal ones, I would highly recommend this pad. I suggest that if you get a Mantis pad, take off the legs before moving it! 

Interlock Launch Controller 

The interlock launch controller is also supplied with the kit. It provides about 40 feet of wire and all the parts you need to build the controller including the safety key and safety beeper. The controller is also easy to assemble and requires very little electronics skill. The controller from my experience has worked very well. Hook it up to a 12-volt battery from Radio Shack and you’re ready! It would could be improved if AT included an adapter to use alligator clips instead of the Copperhead igniter clip, however this is easily solved by attaching copper wires with alligator clips on the end to the clamps on the clip. 

Initiator 

The Aerotech Initiator is one of my favorite rockets to date. It is a 2.6 inch diameter kit that flies great of E-G power and is quite reliable. Construction was simple and straightforward. Very good illustrated directions guide you through the building process. The Labyrinth ejection gas baffle is built into the 29mm motor mount. The baffle includes steel cooling mesh, which is used as permanent recovery wadding. To avoid serious alignment problems later, when building the motor mount tube be sure to align the fin-lock system correctly or you will have lots of trouble later. 

Once the motor mount is installed you must insert the fins through the wall and into the fin-locks. This is harder than it seems. The fin locks are very tight which is good, however it can be a little hard to insert the fins. Be careful not to crease the cardboard body tube while installing and locking the fins. If you plan on flying on a G, I would use 5-minute epoxy for extra strength. Once fins are installed you can attach shock cord to the nose cone and tie on the nice yellow chute supplied. 

For finishing my rocket I primed it using a plain white primer. This is important for not only does the primer help fill in the spiral groove (if you don’t use a filler) but also it helps the paint adhere to the cardboard tube. I painted mine blue with a chrome nose cone. 

I flew it for my first successful mid-power flight in Amesbury, MA at a CMASS launch in November of 1999 using an F. I flew it again that afternoon on an E. I have videos of the launch here. Both flights were beautiful with perfect recoveries. 

If you are looking for an economical mid-power starter set I would suggest this one. However if you are definitely going into HPR in the near future, don’t invest in the Mantis pad. It will not be of use in HPR, but is fine for mid-power. Everything is relatively easy to assemble. Some model rocket experience is not necessary but I highly recommend it. This was a good starter set for me. I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in getting started in mid-power. 

Written and submitted by Alex Immerman for Rocketry Online -- Copyright 1996-2000 
 


Rating
(Contributed - by Bob Albright)

Rocket PicBrief:
The Initiator is a good looking, mid powered rocket that flies on 24mm and 29mm rocket motors. The starter set comes with everything needed to build and launch the Initiator.

Construction:
The Initiator comes with (1) main body tube, a motor tube, 3 fins, a nose cone, a gas baffle system and recovery system. The starter set also includes a launch pad, launch controller and 2 motors.

The Initiator is one of the easiest rockets to build and with great illustrated instructions. The kit went together very quickly and the way the fins snap in, make alignment a breeze. The rocket needs no special tools to build and is very sturdy. We have launched our Initiator 25 times with only one 1 bad landing, we broke 1 fin off after launching her on a G64 with no parachute (but it was easily repaired). The controller has worked perfectly, but we did give away the launch pad and built our own (the Mantis pad wasn't going to hold up to me and my 3 boys).

Finishing:
The Initiator was very simple to finish and came with very nice decals. The Initiator is a great looking rocket and we have flown her with both the low powered rocket guys and the high power rocket guys. She blows the low powered rockets away and can keep up with the high powered rockets.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Rocket PicFlight:
We have flown our Initiator 25 times on every thing from E's to big G's. We are having a lot of fun flying her on our new 29mm 40-120 reloadable system. She will fly fine on the E size motors, but really roars on a G64. This rocket uses no wadding and the recovery system has worked perfectly. Our Initiator has flown straight every time.

Recovery:
Our Initiator has been recovered perfectly every time except the time I left the parachute out (but that's a long story). The shock cord is sized fine for the size of the Initiator.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
As a first rocket in the mid-power range, you couldn't find a better rocket with its ease of building and strength. This is our 1st mid-powered rocket (we have many low and high powered rockets) and we have the already mentioned 25 launches with a lot more to come from our Initiator.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Andrew Godbold)

Brief:
The recovery system on this rocket is a large yellow parachute. Although this chute is very large it can be hard to see at a great distance. The only problem with this chute is that it easily catches in trees and this was the fate of my rocket.

Construction:
This kit comes with one body tube without a payload section. There are also a motor mount tube, molded plastic nosecone, and 3 through the wall mounted fins. There are also 2 centering rings which hold up nicely. The nosecone is attached to the labyrinth ejection gas cooling system with an elastic cord and the parachute is attached to this same cord.

The instructions for this kit were explicit and very fun to put together. They were easy to follow, well illustrated, included templates, and were for the most part logically assembled. I love the through the wall fin mount system used by Aerotech. This makes for easy and very durable fin mounts. No special tools were needed that cannot be found around the house or purchased for a few dollars. All of the necessary supplies could be found around my house.

Finishing:
The finishing is fairly simple for this rocket. There are great decals which you simple cut out. The decals are easy to match with the photographs on the box. The only problem with the finishing is that the paint for the nose cone has to be matched with the same color of red on the stickers. If this is not done the rocket looks a bit strange. All in all the rocket is sleek and looks wonderful.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
The recommended motors (two of which come with the SU kit) may seem small but they deliver. The launch is great and very loud. I would not suggest an angle of launch other than 90 degrees. Any deviations from this result in loss of the rocket. There was no wadding required and a hook prevents the motor from exiting the motor mount tube. The rocket flew high for me but due to strong winds at altitude the rocket drifted about a mile.

Recovery:
The recovery was perfect; the rocket did not burn or receive any damage. The single yellow parachute works quite well with this rocket and is attached to a heavy-duty shock cord. The rocket might need to descend a little quicker in windy conditions.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
This kit is excellent for the beginner and I highly recommend it. The included launch pad is easy to assemble, but is only plastic with metal legs that fall out easily. I would not use this pad with high power rockets because I don't believe it would support them sufficiently.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
01/05 - "FYI, the swing arm of my Mantis pad broke after about a year. I sent Aerotech an email asking for the purchase price of a new one. To my surprise they replied that one was in the mail. I have never had better service with problems than with Aerotech." (J.I.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/02 - "I purchased a second hand initiator starter set. My first mid power rocket. I agree with all the other reviewers regarding the Mantis launch pad, weak leg connections (mine broke all by themselves setting in my room). I solved this by carefully drilling two holes through the plastic and legs, and used bolts with wing nuts to hold them together. Now the kit was another story. Every thing went together well, and despite some concerns regarding the fin to fin-lock alignment problems, mine went together well. I used 30 min epoxy on the fins. I have launched this rocket 10 times, on either F20 , or G35 econojets. Only problem occurred when on its second flight the motor CATO’d on the pad. Now this is one tough bird, the motor CATO did no damage to the body or fins. I picked up the motor parts off the ground. This rocket rocks on G35 EconoJets. I highly recommend this rocket to any one. The Mantis pad, is another story. Unless Aerotech addresses the leg connection problems, I’d shy away from this." (A.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/02 - "I too have the starter kit. It was my first mid-powered composite fueled rocket. My starter kit had the 29-40/120 reloadable motor with a E16-4 and a F40-7 reload. The rocket is easy to build and is a really nice looking rocket. The interlock controller works well and went together easily. The pad did also, but is on the flimsy side. I fly the Initiator on mostly the F40 load but have flown it on the G64 which is spectacular. The F52 and F22. Great flying rocket one of my favorites." (L.V.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/02 - "I too, had the same experience as another person here. My launch controller had its wires reversed, if following the instructions to the "t". Wonder if it was a bad batch?" (J.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/02 - "The RMS version of this kit was my entry to the mid-power market as well. I followed the (very easy) instructions to the letter, using CA glue. Just flew it on Sunday. Winds were probably a little strong for the flight, and the first flight on an E16-4W should have removed the rocket from my inventory. The rocket weathercocked and proceeded to go ballistic. Ejection occurred approximately 10 feet off the ground, snapping the rocket around just over 180 degrees, causing it to land fin first in the ground. After pulling it out of the ground (requiring 2 hands to do so), I found that the only damage had been that the back of the fin root had popped out of the Fin-Lok. A quick line of CA along the fin base and the rocket was ready for it's 2nd flight of the day on an F40-7W reload for a perfect flight and recovery (if you don't mind the mile and a half walk due to the wind). This is one tough bird, and the Fin-Lok system made field repair a snap, quite literally!" (J.H.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/02 - "Just a quick comment on AeroTech's customer service. My kit came packaged nicely, but the nose cone appeared to be defective. It had a very rough, almost pock marked finish, bad enough that there wasn't much I could to to clean it up for finishing. A quick email to AeroTech, explaining the problem, and about a week later I had a new nosecone sitting on the front porch for me when I got home. Excellent customer service, thanks AeroTech" (J.V.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/01 - "I bought this kit and I am very happy. I haven’t flown it yet but my friend took it with him and flew it. It didn’t come back with a scratch on it. He said it was a spectacular sight. I recommend this rocket to everyone." (N.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
04/01 - "Great starter set. The only thing that was a problem was the controller. I followed the instructions to the "t" and rechecked 3x, but found that I had to clamp the battery clips to the opposite terminals of what they were labeled. Also, I bought my entire setup with reloads from Discount hobby in NY for $89.00" (J.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
04/01 - "This was my first mid-power kit and I still love the simplicity of the thing. The only thing I've done different than most was to add expanding foam in the void around the motor tube/fin-lok area. Foam it, let the foam set up, remove excess, glue in aft centering ring. Many launches and no damage yet." (T.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/01 - "I too purchased the Initiator kit and found the Mantis launch pad very weak where the legs meet the base. I solved this problem with electrical tape and a plastic cup. I simply taped the leg joints and cut a plastic cup to fit under the whole unit, snug between the bottom of the pad and the ground. The cup now absorbs the weight load and the legs are stabilizers. Although it's a low-tech solution I have found it to be effective. As for the rest of the kit, magnificent! The Initiator rock is great, after 8 nominal to spectacular flights on F-20 & G-35 econo-jets there is little to no damage. The Interlock launch controller is great, but as the reviewer suggests it needs to be modified to use standard Estes type igniters. All in all a great kit, I bought mine for $118.00 from Hobbylinc.com. I would not recommend paying more than $$150 for the Initiator Starter Kit, at this price or below I could call it a Gem." (M.C.D.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
01/05 - "Whith the weak legs on the launch pad instead of throwing it away you can drill holes in each of them and bolt them with about 5" bolts.This way you can still use your cheesy launch pad that can work with some modifications." (T.J. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
05/02 - "If everyone else's kit came packaged the same way as mine, don't forget to realize that they give you two rockets in this kit. Mine came with the main body tube packed inside a 3" tube of the same length, this tube is thick and strong. Save it, makes a great body tube for a low to mid powered scratch built rocket." (J.V. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
02-21-2004 Taylor Jessee AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Perfect first Flight
05-16-2004 Taylor Jessee AT RMS E16-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds -
05-16-2004 Taylor Jessee AT SU F25-6 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Great motor!
04-29-2000 David Kneble AT SU E15-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - First mid power flight, awsome.
06-21-2009 Don Pfister AT RMS H128-M Apogee - NC Up
(2428 ft)
Gusty Flight PictureEvent: Teeniemude
L1 Cert - I modified this, no thrust ring or motor clip, for L1 Cert flight. Near perfect flight. I added a 7 electronics bay w 3 transmitters, Beeline 1 w NC, BRB GPS 70c w data logging and altimeter n bay, Beeline 2 w BT. Cert Flight: L1
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT SU F25-4 Apogee - NC Up
(276 m)
0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - Very nice flight. Flew with add-on electronics bay, containing How High altimeter and Beeline locating transmitter. Launcher straight up, landed about 250' WSW of launcher. Great rocket, great flight.
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT SU F25-4 Apogee - NC Up
(276 m)
0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - Very nice flight. Flew with add-on electronics bay, containing How High altimeter and Beeline locating transmitter. Launcher straight up, landed about 250' WSW of launcher. Great rocket, great flight.
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT SU F50-6 Apogee - Perfect
(251 m)
0-5 mph winds Event: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - SAA: Launcher aimed about 5 degrees E, landed 67 steps S of and inline with launcher. Sacrificed a little altitude for closer recovery. Great flight!
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT SU F50-6 Apogee - Perfect
(251 m)
0-5 mph winds Event: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - SAA: Launcher aimed about 5 degrees E, landed 67 steps S of and inline with launcher. Sacrificed a little altitude for closer recovery. Great flight!
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT EconoJet G35-7 Apogee - NC Down
(426 m)
0-5 mph winds Event: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - SAA (Same As Above): Launcher aimed 5 to 10 degrees to ESE, landed 37 steps WSW of launcher. Great flight!
09-11-2009 Don Pfister AT EconoJet G35-7 Apogee - NC Down
(426 m)
0-5 mph winds Event: SMP - Shawnee Mission Park
L1 Cert - SAA (Same As Above): Launcher aimed 5 to 10 degrees to ESE, landed 37 steps WSW of launcher. Great flight!
10-18-2009 Don Pfister AT RMS H97-M Apogee - Perfect
(721 m)
5-10 mph winds Event: Teeniemunde
- Yet another great flight. This was straight and true! I used a smaller 18 parachute due to the wind, rather than the chute included.
10-29-2006 Bill Walters AT RMS G64-10 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Got some rod whip when taking off pad. shot down range into the windrecovery was about 150yrd.
07-22-2001 Larry Zeilmann AT RMS F22-5 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - perfect flight
06-01-2002 Larry Zeilmann AT RMS F22-5 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - AGF
10-26-2002 Larry Zeilmann AT EconoJet F20-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Chuffed on the pad. long delay again. No damage.
   

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