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SPECS: 33.25" x 1.84" - 5.6 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: D12-5, E15-7, E30-7; with EA18/24 Adapter: B4-2, B6-2, C5-3, C6-5

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- by Jim Stuckman 

CONSTRUCTION: 

[Rocket Pic]The Estes Python kit is well packaged in a cardboard hanging box. All parts were present and in good shape. This is a skill level 2 kit and should not present any problems to someone with a couple of rockets under their belt. The instruction sheet is clear and well written. This combined with a well designed kit make for an enjoyable and rapid build.

The fins are two piece and must be glued together with plastic model cement. The Python fins mount through the body tube and interlock with the centering rings. This makes fin alignment a snap. One weak point is the plastic on the leading and trailing edges of the fins is very thin (due to the airfoil) and relatively easy to damage. An interesting aside - the lower half of this kit is the Terrier booster from the now out of production Pro Series Terrier/Sandhawk.

I primed our Python and then sprayed a couple of coats of Krylon gloss white. When that was thoroughly dry. I masked the rocket and sprayed the red trim. After sufficient time for the paint to cure the decals were applied to create a real attention getter! The Python looks impressive when finished - and without too much time on the building table either!

CONSTRUCTION RATING: 4 points

FLYING:

I did make a modification to the shock cord & shock cord mounting system. Instead of the supplied Estes paper mount, I epoxied a loop of Kevlar® cord (from Pratt Hobbies) inside of the body tube. I then substituted the a piece of sewing elastic about 3 times as long as the kit supplied shock cord.

We've flown this kit on both D12-5 and D12-7 motors. The 7 second delay is just about perfect! The rocket exhibits excellent flight characteristics and is a consistent performer. The supplied chute is properly sized for a safe, damage free recovery. This kit would be a good candidate for launching on an Aeortech composite E motor provided that the supplied chute is replaced with a quality nylon one. The Aerotech ejection charges are a little "hot" for the supplied plastic chute.

FLYING/RECOVERY RATING: 4 points

OVER ALL RATING:

I rate this rocket, overall, at 4 points.I really like this bird! It builds relatively fast and flies rock solid. The Python looks sharp and is a good choice for a first D powered rocket. It's big enough that it can be flown in the local school yard on an Estes D motor and still be recovered. The suggested retail for this kit is $16.99


Rating
(Contributed - by William Lee Ojile)

Rocket PicBrief:
The Estes Python is a large D powered sport scale air-to-air missile. It is not a scale model of an actual missile. This allows the builder to get a taste for scale effects without the pressure of living up to the real thing. The size of this bird is very impressive for the price and the moderate skill level.

Construction:
The Python comes in a large hanging box, which I appreciate because I always worry about crushed parts. One look at the fins in this kit and it is hard to believe the quality for the $16.99 price tag. They are just awesome and it is hard to imagine going back to Balsa.

I would agree with other reviewers that the motor mount is way too wimpy. I wish I would have replaced mine but I was in a rush to build of course! I replaced the shock cord with a three foot piece of elastic, the Estes' cord just seemed too short. If I had some Kevlar® thread I would have done a Quest style motor mounted shock cord. I think the Estes style mount is a little scary for this size rocket. Once again, I was in a rush to build. I also purchased a yellow Loc/Precision nylon 18" parachute to replace the Estes plastic chute. I like to beef things up when possible and this is a great kit to do it. Clearly, this kit could handle a larger motor and do well. The strength ! of the fins and rear section of the rocket are awesome when finished.

Construction is pretty straight forward and the instructions are good. I departed from the instructions when it came to mounting the fins. I used liberal amounts CA on the root edges of the fins. After the CA dried I then put a fillet of Sig White Airplane Glue where the fins and rocket body meet. This gave the fin assemble incredible strength. The wimpy motor tube gave me some trouble during fin assembly. The motor retainer clip tore loose and required a liberal dose of CA. I would not build this rocket with the provided motor tube. The motor mount is also placed too high in the rocket body. I would depart from the instructions in this area and place it farther rear-ward.

Finishing:
I purchased this rocket with the intent of finishing it differently than recommended red and white paint scheme. I used 2 coats of gray primer to start off. Minimal sanding was required and I did not fill the grooves. (In the end filler wasn't necessary-I used a lot of paint and that did the filling for me!!) I then painted the entire rocket with 2 coats of Testers Flat Airplane Grey paint. I used Testers Flat Red for the remaining details. I followed the instructions for the stripping on the upper half of the body. I departed from them by placing a red band near the fin assembly. I also painted 2 fins red. A flat clear was then applied. I adjusted my decal placement to fit my paint work. This paint scheme looks great and is really impressive when it is combined with the size of this rocket. I also used Testers silver paint on the radome.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
I went with an Estes D12-7 on my first flight and it flew perfect. This rocket is fun to watch and draws a crowd. Boy did that 7 second ejection delay seem long after all the paint work I put in. She landed safely not far from the pad. Installing motors is made difficult by the bad motor tube and mine is really bent after 1 flight!!

Recovery:
I think that the descent was a little fast and a larger chute might be necessary for harder recovery areas. The fins on this kit are very strong but have delicate edges and that may pose a problem with the recommend chute size.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
I am a October Sky B.A.R. and have memories of flying rockets with my Dad as a kid. This is my biggest rocket so far and has got the best reaction from my 2 year old son. He was able to see the whole flight and recovery which is important at his age. This kit also flies well on a small field that is close to home. Which is always beneficial when working with kids. Overall this is a great kit for the price and was fun to build and fly.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5



(by Andrew Pohlman)

Background

If you like military styling and want to jump up to E power, the Python is the best for you. It is a good looking vehicle that has four, beveled, trapezoidal fins, a cool rounded nose cone, and a visible paint scheme. Its large size is impressive, and it produces sane flights with D motors and spectacular, yet recoverable flights on an E. Its fins are through-the-wall (TTW), so it can take the power! This kit is great as is or can be upgraded and modified for a superb result.

Construction

Construction is fairly straight forward so get your building supplies out; here goes!

Your first decision is whether or not to beef up the motor mount tube. The one provided is seriously wimpy and does not match the quality of the rest of the kit. Also, the instructions indicate placement of the thrust ring (forward stop for the motor) such that is useless. I recommend putting it in the traditional located: butted against the top of the motor hook. Also at this point, you may choose to move the motor tube farther aft than the instructions call for. This will greatly help motor removal because if you follow the directions, the motor tube and motor hook and quite far up inside the body tube. The motor tube is long enough to accomplish this and the rocket's stability won't be affected. It will turn out fine though if you simply follow the instructions.

The fins come in two pieces and must be assembled using plastic cement. They are hollow and have knife thin edges. This makes them seem fragile, but they are actually superb and far better than a typical pre molded fin can. With conservative use of glue, the fins will be perfectly formed. Once the motor mount is in place, and the fins are prepared, you can insert them into the pre slotted wells. I recommend using a medium cyanoacrylate (CA) on the root edge. This allows you to set a fin in position quickly and move on to the next one. Medium CA sets in less than 15 seconds, so you only have to hold the fin perfectly for a brief time. Use five minute epoxy for the fillets. The combination of CA on the root edge, epoxy fillets, and a TTW configuration makes very strong fin attachments. If all this seems like too much, again, simply follow the instructions for acceptable results.

The stock recovery system provides an optimal descent rate, but would benefit from some upgrades. Using a 1.8 meter long shock cord is one hop up that has been recommended by many Python owners. The paint scheme is simple and easy to execute. Use Krylon for the red and white parts and silver model paint for the shiny nose.

List of Recommended Upgrades/Modifications. A star indicates that it is highly recommended.

1. Beef up the motor tube.*
2. Move motor tube aft an inch.
3. Butt the thrust ring against the top of the motor hook.
4. Use CA and epoxy on the fins.*
5. Add a 1.8 meter long shock cord*, LOC style shock cord mount and parachute
swivel.
6. Beef tail well by gluing card stock around inner circumference.

Flight

This beast is an excellent flyer and is my favorite E rocket. It is very stable and delivers well behaved, predictable results. It does nicely on a D12-5, leaps on a D21-7 (needs adapter) and screams on an E15-7. On a medium to large F, it speaks Japanese and says, "Sayoara!". It refuses to weathercock much and doesn't wiggle or spin. It looks handsome and nimble and has proven to be quite visible on ranges from Lucerne to Livermore and locations in the North San Francisco Bay area. The mid-body separation feature makes for reliable recovery system deployment and reduces the probability of zippering. In addition, it creates a large payload bay! If you didn't move the motor tube aft, you'll need pliers to get the expended motors out.

Grades

Design: B+
Construction: B
Flight: A+


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

The following excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". The intention is to allow guests to get a basic feeling about a kit. We strongly suggest that you get a copy of the referenced Sport Rocketry and read the entire article. Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. For more information, use the two links above.




(Sport Rocketry - Jul/Aug 1997 - page 22 - by Greg Elder)

[Picture]"Overall this is a very nice kit to build and fly."
"A nice feature of this rocker is through-the-wall mounting of the fins."
"The tube seems a bit flimsy to me for D powered flight."
"The top portion of the Python consists of a 12-inch long payload section."
"The nose cone is made from molded plastic and is 6 1/2" long."
"I fly my Python on a D12-5. The flight was straight and recovery was error-free."
"This would be a good first D powered kit."

The entire article gives the impression is that this is a nice kit for an novice/intermediate modeler.

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
08/04 - "The Python flies great on E9-6 motors. Even though the motor mount is for D12s, the extra length of the E9 sticking out does not alter the flight characteristics very much. It will give superb flights on the long burning E9s. If you are concerned about the motor being spit out just use masking tape to tape the motor case to the motor hook." (P.R.J.)

GUEST's OPINION:
07/04 - "There was a damaged rocket in the giveaway bin at Dragon's Fire 33, October 2003. It had a bad motor mount and the fins were cracked and chewed up, but the body tube and nose cone were in good shape. But, I never knew what the rocket was? It had what appeared to be a 1.9" airframe and a snub-nosed nose cone on a long payload bay. I rebuilt it using a 29mm motor mount and new 1/8" basswood fins (with a lot of sanding to nearly match the bevel of the originals. It flies great on anything from E to G motors. Today I learned from the guy next to me in the launch parking line that it was an Estes Python. Take it from me, it's a great kit to modify to a 29mm motor mount." (G.H.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/02 - "This rocket built with epoxy and extra nose weight will fly on a G 55 motor no problem" (V.D.)

GUEST's OPINION:
04/01 - "I got back into rocketry in April 2000 and I purchased the Python as one of my first rockets. To date, I have built two of them per the instructions and used CA only. This is a very enjoyable, very attractive kit. In fact, you can admire my first rocket where it hangs in a tree on Ft. Meade. It was a beautiful flight. The second is always recovered, but usually sustains some type of damage. The fin edges are VERY weak and the air frame needs reinforcement around the bottom. And replace the stock parachute with a 24 inch nylon and the shock cord with you favorite. Any cord is better than the stock cord. Overall, I give it 4.5 to 5 in all areas. I've flown mine on D's and E's both. On an AT E30 she simply vanishes from the pad. Be warned - if you are using the stock shock cord, the AT motors will burn through it." (T.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
03/01 - "This rocket is a winner. It's too bad Estes discontinued it." (D.B.Jr.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"Build this rocket with the understanding that you will use E 15 composite motors. Use epoxy, glue the nose cone on, replace the Estes chute with nylon, mount longer/thicker shock cord to the forward centering ring." (T.C.)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
11-17-2001 John Arthur AT SU E15-7 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Shock cord burned through at ejection. Both pieces recovered. Will live to fly again!!
11-17-2001 John Arthur Est SU D12-3 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - Nice flight.
09-21-2000 Donald+Jr Besaw Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Down
(550 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight, fast, loud, lots of smoke. Flew straight as an arrow up to about 550 feet. Perfect recovery.
06-22-2001 Donald+Jr Besaw Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Good flight. Parachute ejected but didn't open. Landed hard popping two fins loose. Repairs made. Ready to fly again.
07-05-2001 Donald+Jr Besaw Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Ok flight. Landed hard popping a fin loose again. Getting tired of the dual recovery method. Modifications are underway.
04-17-2000 Ron Cooke Est SU D12-7 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - nose cone blew off(found)shock cord broken(repaired)
10-22-2000 Andrew Cull Est SU D12-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Flight perfect. Rough landing do to rock hard clumps of dirt. Rocket undamaged.
06-09-2001 Andrew Cull AT SU E15-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Best flight i've done with this rocket screams right off pad.
01-17-1999 Dave Hanson Est SU D12-5 Apogee-Perfect Calm -
03-07-1999 Dave Hanson AT SU E15-7 Apogee-Perfect Light winds - The Python gets about 1700 ft. on the E15
04-17-1999 Dave Hanson Est SU D12-5 Apogee-Perfect Calm -
05-15-1999 Dave Hanson AT SU E15-7 Apogee-Perfect Light winds -
09-05-1999 Dave Hanson Est SU D12-5 Apogee-Perfect Light winds -
11-20-1999 Dave Hanson Apo SU E6-8 Very Late Light winds - Very slow
09-02-2001 Jessica McAbee Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm - First D motor flight for Jessica.
06-24-2000 Eric Miller Est SU D12-5 Just Before Light winds - Nice high flight. Parachute was not working 100%. Later discovered it was bound by duct tape I used for the shroud lines. Rocket landed in a tree after very first flight! See stories page on this one!
03-21-2000 Randy Powell AT SU E15-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - boosted very good,slight weather-cock into wind. ejection was too late. . shredded 2 lines on cheap chute. . it landed 100 yds away safely.
05-25-2002 Randy Powell Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds -
09-10-2000 Tracy Singer AT SU E30-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Great flight on a stock built rocket. The E30 burned too fast. I did not see it leave the pad; it simply vanished and reappeard at several hundred feet. I replaced the stock chute with 18 in. nylon tied to AT 1/4 in. shock cord.
04-07-2002 Jason Vennard Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect Didn't Record - Great flight, Great looking rocket with super straight boost. 18 plastic chute, no problems.
04-14-2002 Jason Vennard Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Another great flight, nice boost, chute deployed great no problems once again, one of the nicesd looking birds we have both on dhe pad and in flight. 18 chute with spill hole.
04-14-2002 Jason Vennard Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Very impressive take offs, great flight and recovery. 18 nylon chute with spill hole, descent a little quick but no damage.
06-30-2003 Jason Vennard Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Light east winds. Our 200th recorded flight, this bird does it in style. Another beautiful flight. 18 nylon
08-08-1997 Ron Watkins Est SU D12-5 Didn't Record Calm - Good flight-predicted altitude-600 ft. -good recovery.
 

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