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REV 2.4 - Sun May 9 00:00:22 2010

Qmodeling
Stiletto
207 Mill Valley Road
Middleburgh, NY 12122
(518) 827-3107
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SPECS: 38" x 1.637" - 8.7 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: D12-3, E9-4

Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page] - 11/04/04) QModeling Stiletto

Brief:
If a rocket can be sexy, this one is it. A long, sleek upscale of the Estes kit, this is a beautiful single stage 24mm rocket that flies as well as it looks.

Construction:
I had purchased this kit through pre-order, which took several weeks but normal purchases will arrive quickly and carefully packaged in a Priority Mail tube. The kit is packed in a sealed plastic bag with components checked off by hand on the header card.

The components for this kit are very good quality and include:

  • resin cast nose cone
  • BT-60 body tube
  • 9 laser cut balsa fins
  • Balsa raceway
  • 24mm foil lined motor tube
  • Centering ring/motor mount kit
  • 30" Top Flight nylon chute
  • 9' x 9" Nomex® heat shield
  • Kevlar® recovery line
  • External trim rings
  • Waterslide decals
  • 3/16" launch lug

Note: The nose cone is the same as the one used for their Rogue and WAC Corporal kits. By leveraging the cone across multiple kits, they were able to invest more money in a better quality mold and it shows on the finish of this cone! It is one of the nicest poured cones I have ever seen.

QModeling Stiletto

I found the instructions to be easy to work with and well illustrated. The instructions are broken into subsections, each with time estimates so you can plan your assembly project accordingly. For the experienced builder, this is probably a 2 afternoon project over a weekend plus time for finishing. Overall, I'd rate it a skill level 3 on the old Estes 1 to 5 scale.

Construction begins with the motor mount assembly. This kit comes with a foil lined motor tube, which should be more durable than the typical paper tubes of most kits. Rather than a basic centering ring approach though, there's a fairly elaborate assembly of laser cut balsa braces that enable through-the-wall fin support. The balsa braces are fairly delicate by themselves but once assembled are actually quite durable. Everything fit together well but lining everything up for the through-wall mounting is tricky and the instructions warn to tack things together and check for fit before the final glue job. The assembly is finished off by attaching the Kevlar® shock cord to the end of the motor mount through the centering ring.

QModeling Stiletto All of the fins are precut so there's no hand cutting necessary. Instead, you might want to apply your time to filling and sanding them, as the grain is fairly rough and a polished, grain free appearance is worth it for this rocket. The instructions suggest a couple of coats of sanding sealer, but I prefer diluted Elmer's Fill 'n' Finish since it is fume free.

The body tube was pre-slotted and needs a few marks before the assembly phase. The lower fin position is obvious (through the slots), but there are two other sets of fins mounted in alignment with the lower fins, plus 3 "separation rings" for trim. My instructions were among the first released and contained several errors in marking dimensions/locations, but before I had gotten around to building this, QModelling sent out a notice alerting me to the problems and offering the correct dimensions. I've noticed similar problems on a couple of their other kits and would generally warn folks to avoid being one of the first ones to build a new release, unless you're very careful and read the entire set of instructions (including paint schemes) first.

The separation rings are actually just cardboard strips wrapped around the outside of the body tube: a shorter inner strip and a longer outer strip. If you're careful, they look about as decent as a centering ring. If you're really anal retentive, you could fill the sides with putty for a smooth finish.

Tacking on and aligning the fins, raceway strip, and launch lug/standoff takes a bit of time but isn't terribly difficult. The instructions, which include fairly precise dimensions, are very helpful here.

While I gushed earlier about the nose cone, I will admit that it does take a little bit of work. There's a faint parting line that needs to be shaved or sanded down. I used the edge of a razor blade perpendicular to the cone surface. It also uses a wood disk and screw eye for retention. The disk fits snugly inside the cone and when reinforced with a fillet of CA provides a surprisingly sturdy anchor point for the Kevlar® shock cord.

Finishing:
As mentioned earlier, filling and finishing the balsa grain is a real must for this kit. In addition, the faint tube spirals should be filled with Elmer's Fill 'n' Finish as well. This is simply too pretty a design to leave to a halfhearted finish job.

After filling seams and spirals, I applied three light coats of gray/gray/white primer, sanding between each. After the 3rd coat, I also lightly sanded everything using a wet 600 grit paper. I then finished up with two coats of glossy white. There are probably some wonderful accent color schemes you could apply to this, but I was drawn to the simplicity of the standard all white paint job with copper for the nose and upper portion of the tube. Still, anyone wanting to mask off the fins and/or separation rings could pull off some interesting schemes.

The final touches are the application of waterslide decals. The quality and workability of the decals gets better and better with each new QModeling release, and these decals were very easy to apply and rearrange as needed. There are plenty of illustrations assisting in placement/orientation.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
I went easy on this for the first flight as the wind conditions and pad location for our club launch had us fairly limited in landing area. I opted for the D12-3 and set her up in 7-8 mph winds. There was a noticeable weathercock but not too severe. The 3 second delay was slightly before apogee but not enough to warrant going to a 5. Cursed by the protection afforded by the 30" nylon chute, this rocket came down very slowly and wound up clearing the park and landed in a neighboring subdivision, dragging my pretty nose cone along the pavement for about a hundred yards. The paint job was scuffed pretty badly but is easy to touch up.

Overall, it was a very good flight and moving up to an E or F is going to send this one out of sight.

Recovery:
The recovery package for this kit is both a pro and a con. The Nomex® heat shield, Top Flight 30" orange nylon chute, and Kevlar® shock cord are the best package you'll find in any modroc. Unfortunately, it looks like QModelling got a package deal on them for their larger kits and are kind of shoving these into the smaller kits. The 9" x 9" Nomex®, at roughly 5 times the body tube diameter, is too large to fit in the BT-60 without risking an overpacked tube and non deployment. The 30" chute is wonderful but way too much for a rocket that should weigh in under 9 ounces. I love the quality of these but am going to stash them in my range box for larger birds and using a 20" nylon chute for this one going forward.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
I absolutely love the design of this rocket. It looks and flies great, and QModeling has done a great job of putting together a top quality upscale. If they could downsize the recovery a bit (and hopefully trim a few dollars off the price), it would get a perfect score.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Dick Stafford [Who's Who Page] - 06/06/05) QModeling MRS-Stiletto

Brief:
This is one of QModeling's Mega Retro Series (MRS) kits. It's a 1.68:1 upscale of the classic Estes kit and flies on 24mm motors. It is a great looking kit and the parts are exceptional quality.

Construction:
The kit came nicely packaged with most small components in their own bags (e.g. all motor mount components bagged together). It appears that some of the components have been changed since the previous review was posted. Product improvement is a good thing. The major components per the provided checklist include (apparent changes in bold):

  • main body tube, BT-60 white glassine and pre-slotted for main fins
  • foil lined BT-50 engine tube
  • launch lug/standoff package
  • laser cut balsa raceway
  • nose cone, conical with a cylindrical base, thick molded plastic
  • nose plug, lite-ply
  • fin package (all fins are laser cut from 1/4" balsa):
  • 3 primary fins
  • 3 secondary fins
  • 3 thrusters
  • instructions, 23 pages of illustrated instructions including a parts re-order form
  • decal set, waterslide
  • 6 cardstock body wraps
  • engine mount package:
  • 4 balsa rings
  • 6 balsa panels
  • thrust ring
  • long motor hook
  • rear paper centering ring
  • forward centering ring, lite ply
  • parachute compartment ring, keeps chute at the forward end of the body tube
  • parachute package:

The instructions provided with this kit are excellent. They are detailed, have clear drawings, provide warnings to keep you from messing up, tell you when to do the finishing, and provide 5 views so you can get the decals right.

You can access the full instructions online at the QModeling MRS-Stiletto page. So you don't have to go there mid-read, the following exploded view should show how this kit goes together.

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(Image used with permission from QModeling)

My experience with the motor mount was the same as the previous reviewer. All the interlocking pieces fit together nicely and I didn't run into any snags. The mount seems quite sturdy and almost begs for more motor when combined with the thick through the wall fins. I was contemplating modifying the engine hook to allow longer motors such as the Ellis F20, but I decided to build it stock as there are plenty of motor choices at this length.

QModeling MRS-Stiletto After the mount is complete, the instructions say to install it in the tube. This requires dry fitting the mount with the fins and tacking it into position. The fins are removed until later in the build. Everything fits well and this process is easy.

Next came the marking for the various components using the included guide. Installing all the outer components were straightforward. The separation rings are built up from two layers of cardstock strips. The quality of the wood in my kit was excellent and required little filling. Elmer's Fill ‘n' Finish was used to do this and was applied before assembly. I found it odd that the instructions didn't say to round the edges of the thick fins. I decided to just take the edge off. With them being so thick and perfectly square, the fins were easy to install.

The nose cone seems nice and sturdy. I found the seams very easy to sand down. It almost seemed like a gel coat material instead of plastic. I found the tip was not perfectly pointy, looking like it chipped off in the mold. I rounded it a bit and it looks fine now. The nose plug didn't fit easily but once in, it is good an snug. The instructions said to trim the end of the cone flush with the plug, but I opted to leave it and add an epoxy fillet.

QModeling MRS-Stiletto The recovery system is top-notch, including Kevlar® twine, Nomex® pad, rip-stop nylon chute, and a swivel. The chute is removable and can be transported to other rockets.

Finishing:
The instructions say to prime the model and to paint it gloss white. I used Krylon paint. The nose cone and top of the body tube were then painted copper. It just so happened I had Testor's copper paint from my 58mm JATO. Luck? Fate? I don't know, but the rocket was painted the proper color! As mentioned above, there are plenty of diagrams to position the decals. I personally don't worry about being perfect in this regard but tried to be close. The decals are easy to work with. A couple had a few imperfections, which were fixed with a Sharpie pen.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
Prep was easy with the provided chute pad. I didn't have a D12-3 so I went right to the E9-4. The wind was dead calm and the boost was arrow straight. I lost the rocket in the haze and missed where it ejected. I have no doubt that this model could handle an F motor with no problem.

Recovery:
In the earlier review, it appeared the recovery components were oversized. It appears they have now been sized for a better fit. There is also a ring to keep the chute near the top of the rocket. In the calm conditions, the rocket landed nicely about 50' from the pad.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
I think this kit looks really cool and the trim helps in this regard. Once again, I can't say enough about the materials in this kit. They were good quality and fit like laser cut components should.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
04/08 - "If you like detail and quality, this is a fantastic kit. Everything fits together very precisely and works very well, but the directions need to be read more carefully than an Estes or Quest kit. It will take time and patience to get a nice looking rocket, but it will 'wow' everyone at the next launch. I've only flown it twice so far, but it's a great flier. Even with epoxy for the fins and motor mount, and generous primer/sanding, my rocket came in under weight at 8.0oz, but the CG was more forward than listed. The solution is in the instructions--sand the resin nosecone. This was my first Qmodeling kit, but it will not be my last. In fact, that Nike-X is looking verrrrry nice..." (M.E.R.)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
04-23-2005 David Fergus Est SU E9-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - demonstration flight at boy scout merit badge class. perfect flight. I selected too small of a parachute which caused one fin to slightly crack on landing in brisk wind.
04-13-2008 Mark Rose Est SU D12-3 Just Before 10+ mph winds Event: Orangeburg
- Straight, good boost for this rocket's maiden flight--ejection just before apogee.
04-13-2008 Mark Rose AT RMS D15-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds Event: Orangeburg
- Slightly faster boost than D12, but ejection was late--more like 6 seconds than the 4 listed. This rocket will like AT E's and F's, but I'll wait for a less windy day.
04-04-2009 Mark Rose AT RMS F24-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Orangeburg
- Excellent flight--no problems at all.
03-20-2010 Mark Rose AT RMS F24-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Awesome flight--as pleasing as many HPR flights I've done.
05-03-2008 Mark Rose AT RMS F24-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds RIPEvent: Orangeburg
- Great boost to about 1500', then a VERY late ejection at about 12+ seconds. Great motor for the Stiletto, other than a 6 zipper through the separation rings! Status: Zippered
06-05-2005 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-4 Didn't See Calm Event: NOVAAR
- Really nice flight but didn't see where it ejected. It recovered 50 ft from the pad.
06-11-2005 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds Event: ESL-86
- Nice boost, but ejection was a bit early and the chute tangled. It suffered a loose main fin, a crease in the tube, and a loose upper fin. I think this is all repairable with CA.
04-15-2006 Dick Stafford Est SU D12-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Event: NARHAMS
- Nice flight with ejection at apogee (nose up). I forgot to position my anti-zipper pad and, well, it zippered. I'll probably cut off the top inch of tubing.
06-17-2006 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-4 Very Early 0-5 mph winds Event: ESP-98
- Nice boost, but sippered and one fin loose - both easily fixed.
04-21-2007 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Apogee - NC Up Calm Event: DARE II
- Must have ejected fast or hard. Screw eye pulled a plug of wood from the nose cone bulkhead and the chute pulled the hook on the swivel straight. Both lost. Body snapped a fin. Will repair but need a new nose cone.
06-08-2007 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - (rebuilt with a lime bottle NC - http://rocketdungeon.blogspot.com/2007/04/re-engineering-stiletto.html)Flew well, lots of walking was required to recover it.
06-16-2007 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Very Late Calm - Lime version. Good flight.
07-29-2008 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: NARAM-50
- Nice flight with ejection just as the nose tipped down.
07-18-2009 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds Event: Great Meadow
- Good flight also. I angled it into the wind a lot to make sure it stayed on the field.
04-03-2010 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-6 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds - Lime Stiletto variant. Ejection was a couple of seconds late but the flight was good.
10-23-2004 Chan Stevens Est SU D12-3 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - 30 chute is WAY too big, long drift
07-08-2006 Chan Stevens AT RMS E18-4 Just Before 0-5 mph winds -
06-23-2007 Ron Wirth Est SU E9-6 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Very nice slow and straight flight.
   

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