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REV 2.4 - Wed Aug 18 08:37:59 2010

Semroc
Laser-X
Box 1271
Knightdale, NC 27545
(919) 266-1977
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SPECS: 21.5" x 1.34" - 1.8 oz
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SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: A8-3, B6-4, C6-5

Rating
(Contributed - by Larry S. Zeilmann - 02/01/04)

Scratch Semroc Laser-XBrief:
As described by Semroc owner Carl McLawhorn; "a retro reproduction of an out-of-production model rocket kit." Otherwise, A.K.A. Centuri's Laser-X. In simpler terms; this is a single stage 18mm futuristic clone of the often coveted Centuri Laser-X kit that recovers on a single 12" plastic chute. Whew!

Construction:
Carl at Semroc has made a truly impressive product in cloning this kit. Everything is top quality and individually packaged. Parts are as follows:

  • 1 Upper Body Tube ST5120
  • 1 Lower Body Tube ST1380
  • 1 Motor Tube ST730E
  • 1 Balsa Nose Cone BC524
  • 1 Laser Cut Fin set FV33 (2 pieces)
  • 2 Tube Couplers HTC13
  • 2 Centering Rings CR713
  • 2 Centering Rings CR513
  • 1 Thrust Ring TR7
  • 1 Launch Lug LL122
  • 1 Engine Hook EH28
  • 1 Elastic Cord EC124
  • 1 Kevlar® Thread SCK24
  • 1 Plastic Parachute RC12
  • 1 Tape Discs TD6
  • 1 Shroud Lines SLT6
  • 4 Wood Dowels WD230
  • 1 Decal Sheet DKV33
  • 1 Shroud IKV33S

I was in the process of cloning this kit from scratch when Semroc released their version. Thinking, "why reinvent the wheel?" I decided to buy three of these kits (1 to build, 1 for a friend, 1 to store away). At a price of $11.50, It seem to deserve the "Best Buy" award!

Everything in this kit portrays Semroc's attention to detail and quality including the best looking balsa nose cone I have seen in a while, laser cut fins, and individually packaged parts. The instructions are a clear, quality reproduced version of the original instructions. Easy to follow and work in a logical assembling order, something I rarely do.

No special tools are needed, and supplies required are the usual white glue and paint of your choice. Everything fits perfect!

The only gotcha, and it's not really that bad, is the shroud forming. This is probably the most difficult task in the kit. Forming a perfect conical shroud from a rather stiff card takes patience, and some luck. If absent any of those characteristics, then check one of the many rocket forums out there for additional advice.

My method of choice came from past experience with another kit that utilizes a paper shroud. I preform the shroud over a steaming pot of boiling water. This softens the card and allows a more natural curling process. Care should be taken to minimize the exposure to the steam so that the card doesn't get damp. Finally, all errors can be corrected with Elmer's Fill 'n' Finish and a bit of sanding.

Scratch Semroc Laser-XFinishing:
Finishing can be as simple or as complex as you choose. The only thing I do different then the instructions, is to treat the card shroud with thin CA. This stiffens the shroud and makes it more resilient to dents and creases. Other tricks and opinions are also available out there.

The only area that required some forethought before painting is decal placement. I would classify this as a gotcha rather than a CON. The decals are printed on a clear transparent water slide decal paper. Therefore, if you paint an area black and then place a black outlined decal with clear center on that area it will be lost in the background. My painting schemes seemed to be limited by this factor and was the controlling factor in the paint scheme I chose. At one point I considered printing my own decals on some white background decal slide paper. More classic paint scheme options could then be used.

Regardless, I still will give it a 5 rating.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
Recommended motors are the A8-3, B6-4, and C6-5. I have yet to fly mine, but I would hesitate to fly it of a C6-5 for fear of losing it to the Rocket Gods.

Preparation is the standard wadding. Motor retention is a standard motor clip.

I flew this rocket on 24 January 2004 in strong gust winds, sub-zero temperatures on an Estes B6-4. I chose this motor because of my experience with my Mars Snooper which I decided the Laser-X's flight profile would closely represent. I felt that an A8-3 flight would be under powered in these strong gusty winds.

The flight was true and perfect to an altitude of about 200 feet. The chute opened at apogee, and one of the 'chutes shroud lines promptly snagged one of the four wing tip dowels. Even in this condition the 'chute remained fully inflated, and the rocket's lower body returned to the surface in a horizontal recovery state. At first I thought this was good because it would spread out the impact force.

Imagine my surprise to discover the rocket suffered a broken main fin at mid-span. Deciding to investigate the failed recovery further I decided to weigh the rocket and check it's recovery weight against it's chute size using a descent calculator available on-line. The end result was at the rockets recovery weight of 2.9 ounces the descent rate was 16.12 feet/second, a very acceptable rate. Therefore the damaged had to be written off to the rock hard frozen ground, and gust winds that resulted in a fast ground speed at touchdown. The fin is easily repairable, and it will fly again soon.

Recovery:
Semroc has done a great job in this area by upgrading the shock cord to a much improved Kevlar® & elastic combo that attaches to the motor mount and should be more durable.

My only area of concern in the area of flight damage is the toothpick-like dowels. They snag on everything and are assured a future as break off items.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
I am left with such strong positive opinion about Semroc's effort in producing this kit that I feel a disclaimer might be in order. "I have no association with Semroc or it's principals, in fact I have never met Carl McLawhorn." There, now that's out of the way, I can't stop saying how great a job Semroc has done on this kit.

Finally for you collectors out there, each kit is individually assigned a production number. What a great marketing idea.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page])

Semroc Laser-XBrief:
Semroc offers a fine line of "retro repro" kits, which introduce modern improvements to classic Estes/Centuri designs. The Laser-X was originally introduced in 1968 and has been faithfully reproduced by Semroc with upgraded Kevlar shock cord and adhering to the original balsa nose cone and tube sizes.

Construction:
The two body tubes are roughly BT-5 and BT-50 although they are actually the Centuri originals. Fins are from laser cut balsa, which was excellent quality. There are also cutout centering rings, a shroud/transition, and tube coupler/motor mount assembly. Recovery is through a 12" plastic chute, with Kevlar®/elastic shock cord combination. Water-slide decals are included to complete the kit.

Construction begins with a fairly demanding fin assembly process. The upper and lower fins (each a set of 4) are two-piece construction, and must be carefully aligned and bonded flat. Personally, I enjoy the craftsmanship required by this approach and find it much more rewarding than the basic E2X plastic fin cans out there these days.

The motor mount assembly is built from a tube coupler and pair of centering rings. The Kevlar® is attached to one of the rings then the 18mm motor tube and engine hook are inserted inside and bonded in place. The tube coupler certainly adds strength although I would have "upgraded" this by using thick, wound centering rings and eliminated the coupler assembly altogether.

Semroc Laser-X The process is repeated for another tube coupler for the transition. Once the assembly has dried, the transition shroud is cut, formed, and bonded to the coupler along with the upper body tube. The nose cone is then glued into place.

Next up is bonding of the fins--two sets of four, followed by 12 tiny fins that go along the bottom of the motor mount assembly, giving this a Mars Snooper-like appearance. The main fins are trimmed with four toothpicks, which look great but are destined to break off either on landing or in storage.

Recovery installation is straightforward using the standard attaching the chute to the Kevlar®/elastic combination.

Finishing:
Lots of balsa to sand and seal with this rocket--the standard paint scheme is also very challenging, with three colors and lots of masked areas, including fin edges. I would rate this a solid skill level 3 just for the aspects of the finishing. After painting, the water-slide decals are applied, and after following the standard scheme, I still had a few decals leftover. Oh well, they'll look good on my next scratch project

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
First flight was on a modest B6-4, which was a good choice as it was surprisingly quick off the pad. Despite the fairly large fins, this little rocket screams.

There was a slight spin on the way up, but it followed a straight overall path and deployed right at the top. The chute didn't unfurl (I had 3 of those today, probably due to the freezing temps), but the rocket back-slid and landed gently in a bank of snow undamaged.

Recovery:
I'll blame luck and the weather on the recovery problem as I think the materials provided are fine.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
I love the retro/classic design and look forward to more of their products being offered in the months ahead.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
07/07 - "I just completed the build of this great rocket from Semroc and completely agree with the reviews on it. However, I feel some items need to be addressed. The skill level should be one or two higher. This is a relatively small rocket with a bunch of small, thin balsa parts. Very challenging to put together! I feel that the main fins are way to thin. The 1/16" balsa is great for the upper fins but the use of this size balsa for the much larger lower fins allows for major misalignment problems when attaching them to the main body. You must be very careful that they remain perfectly straight as the glue sets up. Use a slow to medium setting glue. Also, you don't need to round the fin edges to start. The balsa is thin enough, that as you remove the sealer, if you use it, the edges will get rounded nicely as you go. I used 400 grit paper and still almost over sanded the fins! Otherwise, another great kit from Semroc. Thanks Carl!" (G.M.K.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
04/08 - "I felt that the main fins were WAY to thin to hold up during takeoff(1/16", really? Nice and light, not durable at all, especially where the 2 pieces glue together). So I papered the wings to make them sturdier without adding much weight. Painting was done in steps to get a pretty killer paint job. " (J.S. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
07/04 - "The main fin spikes were shorter on the original Centuri kit. You can avoid some of the chute tangling problems by replacing or shortening them. I cut them in half, removed 11/16" from one end and glued them back together with CA. This makes them 2" which looks about right." (D.T. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
08-06-2006 George Beever Est SU B4-4 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Nice boost until I lost it in the sun. From what i could tell and from what I was told, a very nice flight!
11-02-2008 George Beever Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Very wierd boost - about 150 straight up, and then off she went in a zig-zag pattern. The model was horizontal at ejection, and stripped two shroud lines. No damage. The lower and upper fins were aligned, so go figure.
08-22-2006 Clive Davis Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record 5-10 mph winds - Boost was great. Recovery: well, she came down hard on one fin. It cracked off mid-way. Will be an easy fix, but cosmetically, she will show signs of repair.
01-02-2005 Kyle Hancock Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up Calm - Maiden flight. Keep having the lasers pop off.
01-02-2005 Kyle Hancock Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Nice flight.
01-16-2005 Kyle Hancock Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds Event: Viking Sport
- Wind gusts really moved it around after burnout.
11-05-2005 Bob Harrington Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Beautiful first flight of a classic model
11-05-2005 Bob Harrington Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice flight
11-18-2006 Bob Harrington Est SU C6-3 None - Parachute Fail 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Motor delay was much too short and parachute stripped off at ejection. Landed in high grass with no damage,
06-23-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds Event: NERRF
- Nice flight. Long recovery walk.
01-10-2009 Bob Harrington Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: Winter Follies
- Nice flight on a cold day.
01-02-2009 Robert Koenn Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Another good flight on this vehicle to start off the year.
07-04-2005 Michael Mangieri Est SU A8-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Very nice, really straight boost. Graceful and picture-perfect flight. Recovered about 20 feet from pad.
07-23-2005 Michael Mangieri Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Nice flight. Chute failed to open completely (hot gases fused a portion together).
07-23-2005 Michael Mangieri Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record 0-5 mph winds - Started straight and nice but then headed off at an extreme angle to the north over my house and well into the back woods. However, the upper northerly winds allowed her to drift right back to the launch site!
08-19-2006 Michael Mangieri Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record Gusty Event: NARHAMS Sport Launch
- Nice flight. Recovered just in front of the tree line.
07-21-2007 Michael Mangieri Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record 10+ mph winds - Beautiful flight. I was RSO at the launch and with 20 Cub Scouts ready to check in just when the Laser-X was launched I didn't want to have to leave to recover my rocket. She drifted over the tent and right into my hands at the RSO table :)
09-14-2008 Michael Mangieri Est SU B6-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Nice flight - landed about 100' from launch site.
09-14-2008 Michael Mangieri Est SU B6-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Landed just 200ft from launch site.
06-55-2009 Jamie Martin Est SU B6-4 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds -
09-15-2007 Michael Nipper Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight. Used a streamer instead of a chute, came down less than 30 feet from the lauch pad.
09-15-2007 Michael Nipper Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight. Used a streamer instead of a chute, came down less than 30 feet from the lauch pad.
04-05-2006 Layne Rossi Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: Zero Ave
- Great first flight! Everyone was impressed with a nice flight and great recovery. 3 inch spill hole cut in the included plastic chute. About 500 feet...
01-31-2004 Chan Stevens Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm -
12-24-2004 Andy Turits Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - First flight for this beauty. Perfect in every aspect. Flies straight to about 100 ft. Chute deploys perfect (no snagging on pointy pods). Accurate angling of launch rod enables me to catch it by the shock cord about 20 ft. from pad
12-24-2004 Andy Turits Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - As perfect as first flight. This time it went about 300 ft up and landed 100 ft from pad with no damage. My first model to fly with long shock cord/kevlar combo. Grea
12-30-2004 Andy Turits Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Kind of slow but spectacular off the pad. Maxed at about 300 ft. Chute line snagged on pod at ejection. Snapped top of one pod on landing. Nice flight anyway already fixed!
08-07-2005 Andy Turits Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Light winds - Nice straight lift off, half a spin and perfect 350 ft. altitude apogee deployment. chute spinning wildly on the way down but slowing nonetheless. No damage at all on landing about 150 feet from pad.
01-24-2004 Larry Zeilmann Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Gusty - Flight was perfect, but broke a fin on the hard frozen ground. Easy repair
   

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