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Art Applewhite
Delta Flying Saucer 38mm (18")
P.O.Box 294064
Kerrville, TX 78028
 
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SPECS: 9" x 18" - 20.7 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: Pro38 4, 5 and 6 grain motors, I154J, I161W, I195J, I211W, I218R, I284W I285R, I300T, I355R, J350W

Rating
(Contributed - by [Featured Reviewer] Dick Stafford - 07/07/05[Author's Home Page]) Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta)

Brief:
This was a pre-production version of the kit and its construction varied somewhat from the production model. Nonetheless, it is representative of the performance you should expect from the production model. I have tried to indicate where the production model varies, however, these notes may not be all-inclusive.

This rocket is a huge, 18" diameter, Level 2 capable version of Art's Delta saucer. It is built primarily from Gatorboard® and includes both 38mm and 54mm motor adapters.

Construction:
Main saucer parts list:

  • 3/16" Gatorflex®, however, the production version will use standard foamboard
  • 1/2" Gatorboard ®
  • 3" paper tube
  • Fiberboard
  • Fiberglass cloth
  • 1/4" launch lug
Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta)

54mm and 38mm Motor Adaptors parts list:

  • Mount tubes
  • 3" thrust ring
  • 3/32" Basswood fins

Materials and tools required: utility knife, X-Acto knife with new blade, spatula or other spreading tool, Elmer's Glue-All®, Easy release masking tape (the blue kind), sandpaper, slow setting epoxy, and Devcon 5 minute Epoxy.

Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta) This build is very similar to the smaller delta saucers, only bigger. The top and bottom shrouds were made from pre-marked Gatorflex® and the center plate was made from the thicker and more dense Gatorboard® piece. These materials are both multi-layer laminates of dense polystyrene foam, laminated with plastic and paper. The Gatorboard® is laminated on both sides while the Gatorflex® is laminated on only one side, allowing it to be flexible. Cutting these components was much harder than standard foamboard, so new blades, patience, and good work surface are musts. Unfortunately, the Gatorflex® is no longer available, so in the production model, the top and bottom shrouds are made from standard foamboard. To make it flexible, you make numerous cuts using a provided tool, which holds a hobby-knife blade. Minus this cutting, the rest of the construction should be almost identical.

You first prepare the top shroud by wrapping it around and connecting the seams with 5-minute epoxy and the supplied fiberboard strip. Once dry, you sand the hole to fit the 3" host body tube. The bottom is prepared similarly.

Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta) The center plate really takes some effort and should be cut in short sections. As with the smaller deltas, the edge is beveled. I didn't have the recommended knife so I used a very sharp kitchen knife, which seemed to work quite well.

In short, you glue the mount to the top, coat the inside of the top with slow setting epoxy, attach the center to the top, and finally the bottom to the center. In this beta version, the main trick was to align the holes for the launch rod. In the production model, a ¼" launch lug is glued to the inside of the 3" host tube, thus avoiding having to cut additional holes in any of the components. The removable adapters slide past this lug. After the first flight, I retrofitted a 1/2" lug.

The last step is to glass the top with the provided fiberglass sheet. This too is pre-marked. I won't go into the details here, but make sure you use slow setting epoxy as there is a lot of surface area to cover.

Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta) For both size motor mounts, you cut the thin fins from the basswood using the provided pattern, glue them to the tube, and install the thrust ring. On the 38mm mount, I used wood glue and added epoxy fillets. On the 54mm mount, I used only epoxy.

Finishing:
I chose not to paint my saucer.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
This will make for a great sport flight and/or a relatively easy certification attempt. You lightly friction fit your choice of adapters and motor. The recommended motors include a wide variety of I and J motors as well as the Aerotech K185W and Ellis L330P. In the beta testing, a wide variety of motors were flown. Note that although the saucer will fly on H motors, these motors are so short that they may not allow the saucer to aerobrake properly and the saucer may be damaged if it lands on the edge of the shroud.

Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta)Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta)

I first flew the big Delta Saucer on an Ellis J228 at the 3rd Annual TRF Reunion at the Whitakers field in NC. The saucer tore off the pad with lots of smoke and noise. It was a fantastic flight. The second flight was at a NOVAAR launch. This was a very interesting flight. The J110 had a nice long 7 second burn. Because of the low average thrust and regressive thrust profile, the saucer arched over and was still under power after apogee.

Art Applewhite Level 2 Delta Saucer (beta)

Recovery:
Big? No problem! In both cases, aerobraking brought it down softly without damage. With the longer J228, the motor and adapter unseated from the main tube upon impact. This is a feature, not a bug and may help to absorb some of the shock from the landing.

On the J110 flight, the saucer aerobraked down and continued to spew large amounts of smoke, causing some concern with the LCO. It landed in an outcrop of brush but that part of the field was damp and there was no risk of fire. The ensuing smoke cloud was described as a "mushroom cloud on the horizon". Cool! Still, I'd recommend the J228 over this motor.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
This is another fun rocket from The Saucerman and it will make an economical certification rocket for Level 2. The beta version was an easy build yet was still enough work that you would feel proud of your accomplishment. The production model will take a bit more time. What do you expect from a Level 2 capable rocket anyway?!

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Matthew McFarland [Author's Home Page] - 07/11/05)

Brief:
This is a beautiful HPR saucer that wows the crowd with great boosts and long aerobrake recoveries.

Art Applewhite 18inch Delta Saucer

Construction:
This kit comes essentially as three kits. There are the saucer itself and two motor mount kits: one for 54mm motors and one for 38mm motors. The saucer is a single central body tube, a launch lug that mounts inside the body tube, three foam sheets, and some fiberglass. The motor mounts are basically built as simple small rockets. You mark the motor tube with the provided template, cut out the six motor mount basswood fins, glue them in place, and glue on the thrust ring to finish the motor mounts. The motor mounts come bagged separately with their own instructions and templates. I liked this as I could set them aside as I worked on the saucer and not worry about losing any pieces.

I found the instructions easy to follow and quite logical. I never scratched my head for more than about 5 seconds (and then realized any error was mine). There are numerous illustrations and pictures that make the building process really easy and clear.

The saucer comes with all the lines marked and the motor mounts have their own templates so everything is very easy to do. The top and bottom pieces each require 52 grooves be cut to form the cone shape with the provided jig. Art has included a nice little razor jig and blade that cuts to the correct angle so all you have to do is line up a straight edge with the marks and run the jig down it. Easy but time consuming.

The center board is a product called Gatorboard. I found that my fine toothed jeweler's saw gave the best results cutting this stuff. I did several tests with X-Actos, utility knives, and the saw. I found the saw left the best edge by far and cutting went faster.

Once the top and bottom are formed and the center is cut, you can start assembling the pieces. The central tube is glued to the top. I made a really tight fit and then glued it on top of waxed paper so there would not be any problems with any leaks. While this joint dried, I dry fit the center tube in place to assure alignment and a heavy bowl on top to keep the center down and hold the shape of the saucer. I then removed the center tube and epoxied the inside. This is a place to be careful as too much epoxy just adds unnecessary weight. When epoxying the bottom on, do not forget to first epoxy the central tube to the center first! If you forget to do this, you will have a shred! This is the main attachment point of the center foamboard supports the entire saucer. Once the bottom is on and the epoxy is set you are ready for fiberglassing.

The kit comes with what appears to be 1.5-2oz fiberglass and is easy to apply. Just start in the middle and work outward. I think I used about 2oz of epoxy to do the job. The last step is to trim the fiberglass to finish the saucer.

The motor mounts are just as easy to build. Mark them with the provided template, cut the fins, and glue them together. The thrust ring is a 1/2" piece of body tube and I used it to determine when I had a good fit. I had to sand the edge of each fin 125 strokes to get the mount to fit in the body tube on the 54mm mount and 45 strokes on the 38mm mount. The thrust ring is then glued onto the back end of each one and you are done.

Finishing:
I flew mine built and unfinished with the exception of sanding the fiberglass edges and seam. I did this because I liked the white saucer and think it looks good as is. You could paint it anyway you want though. I have considered building another one and epoxying a picture of my family under the top fiberglass so we could all go for a flying saucer ride. We will see about that, but the possibilities are endless.

No decals are provided.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
Recommended 54mm motors: Ellis Mountain L330P, Pro54 2- and 3-grain motors, Aerotech J90W, J180T, J275W, J135W, J315R, and K185W.

Recommended 38mm motors: Ellis Mountain I130, J228, J270, Pro38 4-, 5-, and 6-grain motors, Aerotech I154J, I161W, I195J, I211W, I218R, I284W, I285R, I300T, I355R, and J350W.

I have 6 flights on this rocket: AT J90W, J135W, J180T, K185W, H123W, and H148R. I used friction fit with masking tape to retain all motor cases and had no problem with this method.

Every boost was straight with a little weathercocking. The smoke trails are fantastic.

The J90 was my favorite as it maintains the lines of the saucer and flies forever. The crowd applauded this one and the K185. The K185 is awesome, also flys forever, and would be my favorite, but it sticks out the top about a foot. The J180T maintains the saucer's simple lines, but overpowers the saucer and caused it to wobble during flight. You will notice that neither of the H motors I flew is on the recommended motor list and they should not be used. They put the weight too far back in the ship and cause it to recover poorly. (Read more about this in recovery.)

Recovery:
Recover is aerobrake and I never walked more than about 100 feet from the pads. On the H motors that I flew, the first one recovered by aerobraking in reverse with a nice soft landing. I though cool, lets do it again and then broke the saucer. The second H powered flight (on the H123W), tumbled on recovery and never stabilized. It landed edge down and cracked the center Gatorboard.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
This is a cool ship. The last time I flew it (on a K185W), I got a lot of applause and cheers from the audience, who were yelling for me to fly it again. The rocket flown just before the saucer was on a N2000. It got a lot of wows but no applause or cheers. Get one and you will probably have the biggest saucer at your launch and have the most questions asked.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
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Wind Notes
05-14-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS J90-P None - Tumble Light winds Event: OROC Spring Thunder
- My favorite motor for this ship. Beautiful boosts and nice slow recoveries. This motor gets a lot of applause.
05-14-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS J180-P None - Tumble Light winds Event: OROC Spring Thunder
- This motor seems over powered for this craft. It makes it wobble and fight all the way up. I do not reccomend it or intend to launch on this motor again.
05-21-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS H123-P None - Tumble Light winds - This motor is NOT reccomended! The saucer tumbled on the way down and never stabilized! Bad but repairable damage.
05-21-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS H148-P None - Tumble Light winds - This motor is NOT reccomended! It aerobraked in reverse due to weight being too far aft, no damage.
06-11-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS K185-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: OROC Summer Skies
- Excellent stable boost with nice slow recovery.
06-18-2005 Matthew McFarland AT RMS J135-P None - Tumble
(787 ft)
Gusty - This was modified to take a G-Wiz altimiter. Great boost, nice slow recovery.
04-23-2005 Dick Stafford Ellis SU J228-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: TRF #3
(beta test) - Fantastic flight, smoky and noisy...and long!
06-05-2005 Dick Stafford Ellis SU J110 None - Tumble Calm Event: NOVAAR
(beta test) - Interesting flight with a long 7 second burn. Because of the regressive thrust profile, the saucer arced over and was still under power after apogee. It then aerobraked down and continued to spew large amounts of smoke.
 

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