
(Contributed - by
Dick Stafford - 07/07/05
)
Brief:
This was a pre-production version of the kit and its
construction varied somewhat from the production model. Nonetheless, it is
representative of the performance you should expect from the production model.
I have tried to indicate where the production model varies, however, these
notes may not be all-inclusive.
This rocket is a huge, 18" diameter, Level 2 capable version of Art's
Delta saucer. It is built primarily from
Gatorboard®
and includes both 38mm and 54mm motor adapters.
Construction:
Main saucer parts list:
- 3/16" Gatorflex®, however, the production version will
use standard foamboard
- 1/2" Gatorboard ®
- 3" paper tube
- Fiberboard
- Fiberglass cloth
- 1/4" launch lug
54mm and 38mm Motor Adaptors parts list:
- Mount tubes
- 3" thrust ring
- 3/32" Basswood fins
Materials and tools required: utility knife, X-Acto knife with new blade,
spatula or other spreading tool, Elmer's Glue-All®, Easy release
masking tape (the blue kind), sandpaper, slow setting epoxy, and Devcon 5
minute Epoxy.
This build is very similar to the smaller delta
saucers, only bigger. The top and bottom shrouds were made from
pre-marked Gatorflex® and the center plate was made from the
thicker and more dense Gatorboard® piece. These materials are
both multi-layer laminates of dense polystyrene foam, laminated with plastic
and paper. The Gatorboard® is laminated on both sides while the
Gatorflex® is laminated on only one side, allowing it to be
flexible. Cutting these components was much harder than standard foamboard, so
new blades, patience, and good work surface are musts. Unfortunately, the
Gatorflex® is no longer available, so in the production model,
the top and bottom shrouds are made from standard foamboard. To make it
flexible, you make numerous cuts using a provided tool, which holds a
hobby-knife blade. Minus this cutting, the rest of the construction should be
almost identical.
You first prepare the top shroud by wrapping it around and connecting the
seams with 5-minute epoxy and the supplied fiberboard strip. Once dry, you sand
the hole to fit the 3" host body tube. The bottom is prepared similarly.
The center plate really takes some effort and should
be cut in short sections. As with the smaller deltas, the edge is beveled. I
didn't have the recommended knife so I used a very sharp kitchen knife, which
seemed to work quite well.
In short, you glue the mount to the top, coat the inside of the top with
slow setting epoxy, attach the center to the top, and finally the bottom to the
center. In this beta version, the main trick was to align the holes for the
launch rod. In the production model, a ¼" launch lug is glued to the
inside of the 3" host tube, thus avoiding having to cut additional holes
in any of the components. The removable adapters slide past this lug. After the
first flight, I retrofitted a 1/2" lug.
The last step is to glass the top with the provided fiberglass sheet. This
too is pre-marked. I won't go into the details here, but make sure you use slow
setting epoxy as there is a lot of surface area to cover.
For both size motor mounts, you cut the thin fins
from the basswood using the provided pattern, glue them to the tube, and
install the thrust ring. On the 38mm mount, I used wood glue and added epoxy
fillets. On the 54mm mount, I used only epoxy.
Finishing:
I chose not to paint my saucer.
Construction Rating: 4
out of 5
Flight:
This will make for a great sport flight and/or a relatively easy certification
attempt. You lightly friction fit your choice of adapters and motor. The
recommended motors include a wide variety of I and J motors as well as the
Aerotech K185W and Ellis L330P. In the beta testing, a wide variety of motors
were flown. Note that although the saucer will fly on H motors, these motors
are so short that they may not allow the saucer to aerobrake properly and the
saucer may be damaged if it lands on the edge of the shroud.


I first flew the big Delta Saucer on an Ellis J228 at the 3rd Annual TRF
Reunion at the Whitakers field in NC. The saucer tore off the pad with lots of
smoke and noise. It was a fantastic flight. The second flight was at a NOVAAR
launch. This was a very interesting flight. The J110 had a nice long 7 second
burn. Because of the low average thrust and regressive thrust profile, the
saucer arched over and was still under power after apogee.
Recovery:
Big? No problem! In both cases, aerobraking brought it down softly without
damage. With the longer J228, the motor and adapter unseated from the main tube
upon impact. This is a feature, not a bug and may help to absorb some of the
shock from the landing.
On the J110 flight, the saucer aerobraked down and continued to spew large
amounts of smoke, causing some concern with the LCO. It landed in an outcrop of
brush but that part of the field was damp and there was no risk of fire. The
ensuing smoke cloud was described as a "mushroom cloud on the
horizon". Cool! Still, I'd recommend the J228 over this motor.
Flight Rating: 5
out of 5
Summary:
This is another fun rocket from The Saucerman and it will make an economical
certification rocket for Level 2. The beta version was an easy build yet was
still enough work that you would feel proud of your accomplishment. The
production model will take a bit more time. What do you expect from a Level 2
capable rocket anyway?!
Overall Rating: 4
½ out of 5

(Contributed - by Matthew McFarland
-
07/11/05) Brief:
This is a beautiful HPR saucer that wows the crowd with great boosts and long
aerobrake recoveries.
Construction:
This kit comes essentially as three kits. There are the saucer itself and two
motor mount kits: one for 54mm motors and one for 38mm motors. The saucer is a
single central body tube, a launch lug that mounts inside the body tube, three
foam sheets, and some fiberglass. The motor mounts are basically built as
simple small rockets. You mark the motor tube with the provided template, cut
out the six motor mount basswood fins, glue them in place, and glue on the
thrust ring to finish the motor mounts. The motor mounts come bagged separately
with their own instructions and templates. I liked this as I could set them
aside as I worked on the saucer and not worry about losing any pieces.
I found the instructions easy to follow and quite logical. I never scratched
my head for more than about 5 seconds (and then realized any error was mine).
There are numerous illustrations and pictures that make the building process
really easy and clear.
The saucer comes with all the lines marked and the motor mounts have their
own templates so everything is very easy to do. The top and bottom pieces each
require 52 grooves be cut to form the cone shape with the provided jig. Art has
included a nice little razor jig and blade that cuts to the correct angle so
all you have to do is line up a straight edge with the marks and run the jig
down it. Easy but time consuming.
The center board is a product called Gatorboard. I found that my fine
toothed jeweler's saw gave the best results cutting this stuff. I did several
tests with X-Actos, utility knives, and the saw. I found the saw left the best
edge by far and cutting went faster.
Once the top and bottom are formed and the center is cut, you can start
assembling the pieces. The central tube is glued to the top. I made a really
tight fit and then glued it on top of waxed paper so there would not be any
problems with any leaks. While this joint dried, I dry fit the center tube in
place to assure alignment and a heavy bowl on top to keep the center down and
hold the shape of the saucer. I then removed the center tube and epoxied the
inside. This is a place to be careful as too much epoxy just adds unnecessary
weight. When epoxying the bottom on, do not forget to first epoxy the central
tube to the center first! If you forget to do this, you will have a shred! This
is the main attachment point of the center foamboard supports the entire
saucer. Once the bottom is on and the epoxy is set you are ready for
fiberglassing.
The kit comes with what appears to be 1.5-2oz fiberglass and is easy to
apply. Just start in the middle and work outward. I think I used about 2oz of
epoxy to do the job. The last step is to trim the fiberglass to finish the
saucer.
The motor mounts are just as easy to build. Mark them with the provided
template, cut the fins, and glue them together. The thrust ring is a 1/2"
piece of body tube and I used it to determine when I had a good fit. I had to
sand the edge of each fin 125 strokes to get the mount to fit in the body tube
on the 54mm mount and 45 strokes on the 38mm mount. The thrust ring is then
glued onto the back end of each one and you are done.
Finishing:
I flew mine built and unfinished with the exception of sanding the fiberglass
edges and seam. I did this because I liked the white saucer and think it looks
good as is. You could paint it anyway you want though. I have considered
building another one and epoxying a picture of my family under the top
fiberglass so we could all go for a flying saucer ride. We will see about that,
but the possibilities are endless.
No decals are provided.
Construction Rating: 4
½ out of 5
Flight:
Recommended 54mm motors: Ellis Mountain L330P, Pro54 2- and 3-grain motors,
Aerotech J90W, J180T, J275W, J135W, J315R, and K185W.
Recommended 38mm motors: Ellis Mountain I130, J228, J270, Pro38 4-, 5-, and
6-grain motors, Aerotech I154J, I161W, I195J, I211W, I218R, I284W, I285R,
I300T, I355R, and J350W.
I have 6 flights on this rocket: AT J90W, J135W, J180T, K185W, H123W, and
H148R. I used friction fit with masking tape to retain all motor cases and had
no problem with this method.
Every boost was straight with a little weathercocking. The smoke trails are
fantastic.
The J90 was my favorite as it maintains the lines of the saucer and flies
forever. The crowd applauded this one and the K185. The K185 is awesome, also
flys forever, and would be my favorite, but it sticks out the top about a foot.
The J180T maintains the saucer's simple lines, but overpowers the saucer and
caused it to wobble during flight. You will notice that neither of the H motors
I flew is on the recommended motor list and they should not be used. They put
the weight too far back in the ship and cause it to recover poorly. (Read more
about this in recovery.)
Recovery:
Recover is aerobrake and I never walked more than about 100 feet from the pads.
On the H motors that I flew, the first one recovered by aerobraking in reverse
with a nice soft landing. I though cool, lets do it again and then broke the
saucer. The second H powered flight (on the H123W), tumbled on recovery and
never stabilized. It landed edge down and cracked the center Gatorboard.
Flight Rating: 5
out of 5
Summary:
This is a cool ship. The last time I flew it (on a K185W), I got a lot of
applause and cheers from the audience, who were yelling for me to fly it again.
The rocket flown just before the saucer was on a N2000. It got a lot of wows
but no applause or cheers. Get one and you will probably have the biggest
saucer at your launch and have the most questions asked.
Overall Rating: 5
out of 5