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Art Applewhite
Ultra Delta Flying Saucer
P.O.Box 294064
Kerrville, TX 78028
 
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SPECS: 2.75" x 6" - 0.42 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: 18mm option: A8-3, B4-2, B6-0, B6-2, C6-0, C6-3, and Aerotech RMS 18/20 reloads; 24mm option: C11-0, C11-3, D11-P, D12-0, D12-3, E9-P, E9-4, Aerotech F21W and RMS 24/40 reloads

Rating
(Contributed - by [Featured Reviewer] Dick Stafford - 04/25/05[Author's Home Page]) Art Applewhite Ultra Delta Saucer

Brief:
This is a simplified version (if you can believe that) of Art's 24mm Delta Flying Saucer. The kit is all cardstock and can be built with either an 18mm or 24mm motor mount.

Construction:
The kit contains two sheets of cardstock, containing seven parts to be cut out.

Materials required are scissors, hobby knife with new blade, Elmer's white glue, new or used engine casing, cellophane tape, and ballpoint pen.

This will be a short description. All you have to do is cut out the parts (following the 18mm or 24mm guides, as appropriate) and glue them together per the instructions. The Art Applewhite Ultra Delta Saucer instructions say to use white glue not Carpenter's glue, so that's what I used. If you intend to use longer motors (over 2.75"), you leave out the motor block.

I'll offer two tips. First, don't use too much glue. I have the propensity for using too much and the glued areas tend to look a little warped. Second, if you have Aerotech 18mm and 24mm SU cases, use these to form the motor mount. If you use Estes casings, you will need to wrap them with a layer of cellophane tape.

Finishing:
Finishing involves only a few coats of clear coat.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
The recommended motors are:

MMT size Recommended motors
18mm A8-3, B4-2, B6-0, B6-2, C6-0, C6-3, and Aerotech RMS 18/20 reloads
24mm C11-0, C11-3, D11-P, D12-0, D12-3, E9-P, E9-4, Aerotech F21W and RMS 24/40 reloads
Art Applewhite Ultra Delta Saucer

Flight prep includes friction fitting the motor and, if you elected to leave off the motor block, a masking tape thrust ring.

I flew the 24mm version at the 3rd Annual TRF Reunion at Whitakers, NC. On the first flight, it flew on a D12-0 alongside a standard saucer, a Delta saucer, and a Super Cinco. It was a fast, straight flight with less weathercocking than the others I compared.

I flew it again on an E9-4. Not much to say here but it really zipped on this motor. Ejection was well before it landed.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Art Applewhite Super Cinco

Summary:
This is one simple, inexpensive, high performance saucer kit. I think it is faster than his other designs, but they are so close it is hard to tell without a drag race (with simultaneous ignition to boot). When I built the saucer, I was thinking that the all cardstock 24mm design may not be as sturdy as the Art's other products. I know I only have two flights on it, but I now don't see that as an issue.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Bob Cox - 06/04/05)

Overview
A cardstock flying saucer that can be built to fly on 18mm or 24mm engines.

Kit Specifications

  • Diameter - 6 inches (15cm)
  • Height - 2.75 inches (7cm)
  • Weight - 0.5 oz (12gm)

Background:
Art Applewhite specializes in finless rockets that can be built from cardstock and foamboard. He sells a kit called the Delta Flying Saucer that is built from cardstock with a foam-board disk in the center for structural rigidity. The new Ultra Delta uses a nifty cardstock folding technique to eliminate the foam disk. This reduces the weight, increases the performance, and eliminates the hardest step in the Delta construction, which was cutting the foam disk at a precise angle.

Since I have experience with his other kits, Art invited me to be a beta tester for the Ultra Delta. He sent me a six-pack of kits in a rainbow of fluorescent colors. All of Art's kits are shipped in USPS Priority Mail boxes with air-filled plastic pouches for protection. I have never received a damaged part on any of his kits.

Parts List

  • Two 8.5x11-inch sheets of printed cardstock
  • Instructions

The instruction manual is printed on three 8.5x11-inch pages. The directions are very detailed and photo illustrations are plentiful.

CONSTRUCTION

Before construction begins, the builder must decide which configuration to build. The printed cardstock contains markings for either 18mm or 24mm engines. The 24mm version can be built with a motor block for C11 or D12 engines, or the block can be omitted for use with longer E9 and F21 motors.

I built all three variants. First I built a yellow 18mm version. Based on my feedback from that build session, Art made some minor tweaks to the instructions and to the printed pattern. I used those revised directions to build a green 24mm short version and a hot pink 24mm long version.

Elmer's Glue-All was used for most construction. For the fillets, I used Aleene's Thick Designer Tacky Glue. It goes on thick, stays in place, dries clear, and has minimal shrinkage. Yellow (wood) glue is specifically NOT recommended because it shrinks too much when it dries.

The first few steps consist of cutting out the motor mount, wrapping it around a used engine, and gluing the overlapping tab. A narrow band of cardstock is wrapped around the outside of the motor mount to form a thrust ring that will press against the upper body of the saucer. An optional motor block is then installed on the inside of the motor mount.

The upper body is formed by cutting out the upper body, then rolling it into a shallow funnel shape and gluing the overlapping tabs.


The lower body is a tiny bit more involved. Before gluing the tabs together, a seam must be scored around the outside edge and bent backwards to create a mating surface to join the two body halves. Hard to describe, but easy to do. This little trick is what allows the elimination of the foam-board disk that was used in the original Delta Flying Saucer.

After the body halves are dry, the motor mount is glued to upper body, then filleted.

The lower body is then glued to the upper body along the mating surface on the rim.

I ran into a minor hiccup on this step when the glue grabbed on one edge before I had the other edge completely aligned. It was only off by less than 1/8 inch, so I just trimmed off the edge and it's no longer noticeable. On later builds I was more careful with the initial alignment and did not have this problem.

After applying a fillet where the motor mount touches the lower body, the build is done.

Finishing:
The only finishing that is recommended is a layer of clear-coat spray to protect the cardstock from moisture. I used Rustoleum Gloss Clear on the pink 24mm model, and Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss Clear on the other two. The pink one turned out much shinier.

No decals are provided, but I don't think they are necessary.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

FLIGHT/RECOVERY

Recommended Motors

18mm Version 24mm Version
Quest A6-4
Estes A8-3
Estes B4-2
Estes B4-4
Estes B6-0
Estes B6-2
Estes B6-4
Estes C6-0
Estes C6-3
Estes C6-5
Aerotech RMS 18/20 reloads

Estes C11-0
Estes C11-3
Estes D11-P
Estes D12-0
Estes D12-3
Estes E9-P
Estes E9-4
Estes E9-6
Aerotech F21W
Aerotech RMS 24/40 Reloads

As this table shows, just about any engine will work in an Ultra Delta. The only ones that should be avoided are long-delay upper stage motors because the saucer will be back on the ground when the ejection charge fires.

Test Flights

Flight preparation consists of friction-fitting an engine and installing the igniter. I don't usually trust friction-fits, but since the front end is open there is no pressure buildup to blow the engine out the rear.

On the 24mm long version, a tape thrust ring must be installed around the bottom of the motor.

Having such similar rocket just begs for a drag race. The first race was between an 18mm C6-3 and a 24mm C11-3. The person pushing the button on the C11 was a bit slower so the C6 got a good head-start. With its higher thrust, the C11 caught up quickly and they both reached apogee at about the same time and altititude. They both tipped over and descended slowly for soft landings about 35 feet from the pad.

For the second race we loaded up the largest Estes engine that would fit in each size: C6-3, D12-3, and E9-4. I had recently rewired my launcher to handle clusters, so I was able to connect all three saucers to a single launch button.

After an initial delay, all three lit nearly simultaneously. The 18 mm on the C6-3 was fastest off the pad, but was quickly passed by the 24mm D12. With its long burn, the 24mm E9 kept going long after the others had burned out. The E9 saucer was corkscrewing during boost, which made an tight spiral smoke trail and an interesting sound. I have not reflown it to determine of this was a fluke or a feature.

The C6 and E9 both gently aero-shelled down, while the D12 fluttered to its landing. All were recovered with no damage, within 25 feet of the pad.

A video of this flight is available here on Art Applewhite's web site.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

OVERALL:
Another great addition to the Applewhite saucer fleet. If you've never built a saucer before, this would be a great kit to start with. Even if you have built saucers before, this would still be a great kit to flywith the larger engines.

PROS:

  • Simple yet sturdy design.
  • Like all saucers, it flies well in small fields.
  • Capable of using wide variety of motors.

CONS:

  • None

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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09/05 - " I do not like to internally friction fit a motor, especially in a thin motor tube or much less a paper tube. They tend to freeze up inside and make it hard to remove. What I did with these kits was to smear glue on the exposed outside portion of the paper motor tube when I filleted the bottom shroud. After painting I placed a length of Scotch tape around the exposed outside end of the motor tube. I trimmed it back to the end of tube with an exacto knife. I prepare my Estes motor by making a 1/4" masking tape thrust ring directly on the motor end to the thickness of the motor tube. When you push the motor into the rocket the tape trust ring matches the end of the prepared motor tube end. I retain the motor by a piece of masking tape around the motor thrust ring and motor tube end which was strengthened by a layer of glue and protected by the Scotch tape. The Scotch tape prevents the masking tape from sticking and tearing the paper tube. This makes for a fast, strong and easy to remove retention. I use the Scotch tape on all motor tube ends that use external taping. " (K.B.J. )

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
04-10-2005 Bob Cox Est SU C6-3 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Yellow 18mm - 2-Way Drag Race. Took off earlier but was quickly passed by Green 24mm C11. Gentle landing about 35 feet from pad.
04-10-2005 Bob Cox Est SU C11-3 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Green 24mm short - 2-Way Drag Race. Despite late start, high-thrust C11 allowed it to catch up to the Yellow 18mm C6 at apogee. Gentle rocking descent. Landed about 35 feet from pad.
05-30-2005 Bob Cox Est SU C6-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Yellow 18mm - 3-way drag race. Last to light but first off pad. Quickly passed by 24mm models. Gentle aeroshell recovery about 25 feet from pad.
05-30-2005 Bob Cox Est SU D12-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Green 24mm short - 3-Way Drag Race. Started slower than yellow 18mm saucer, but quickly passed it up during boost and went much higher. Tumbled to a gentle landing about 25 feet from pad.
05-30-2005 Bob Cox Est SU E9-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Pink 24mm long - 3-Way Drag Race. First to light but last off pad. Long burn E9 engine gave it much higher altitude than the others. Corkscrewing action during boost made really cool sound. Gentle aeroshell landing about 20 feet from pad.
06-12-2005 Bob Cox Est SU E9-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Pink 24mm long - Started corkscrewing as soon as it left rod, then made about 25 revs in a tight spiral during the rest of the boost. Started aeroshell descent until ejection charge popped, then tumbled the rest of the way down. Safe landing. Great Flight!
06-22-2005 Bob Cox Est SU E9-4 None - Tumble Calm Event: Scout Launch
Pink 24mm long - Long loud boost with tight corkscrewing action. Ejection charge fired shortly after apogee. Descent was slow and gentle with no tumbling.
06-22-2005 Bob Cox Est SU D11-P None - Tumble Calm Event: Scout Launch
Green 24mm short - Drag Race vs. Texas Special. Simultaneous ignition. Texas Special took early lead, but UltraDelta went higher. Small wiggle off end of rod. Safe landing after gentle rocking descent.
08-21-2005 Bob Cox AT EconoJet F21-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Pink 24mm long - After brief pause, tore off the pad with the typical White Lightning roar. Wiggled a bit off the end of the rod, then settled into a tight spiral during rest of boost. Nice smoke trail behind saucer during descent. Gentle landing. GREAT!
09-26-2005 Bob Cox Est SU D11-P None - Tumble Calm Green 24mm short - Beautiful long smokey burn with nice tight wiggle during boost, then gently arching over just before burnout. Gentle rocking during descent. Safe landing.
10-28-2006 Bob Cox Est SU D11-P None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: Maple Island
Green 24mm short - 5-way Saucer Drag Race. Took off about same time as Ultra C6 and Ultra E9. Flew in formation with C6 and Texas Special. Landed about 15 feet from other three saucers. FUN!
10-28-2006 Bob Cox Est SU E9-4 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: Maple Island
Pink 24mm long - 5-way Saucer Drag Race. Quickly outran rest of group and kept thrusting much longer. Landed about 40 feet from rest of group. FUN!
10-28-2006 Bob Cox Est SU C6-3 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: Maple Island
Yellow 18mm - 5-way Saucer Drag Race. Second off pad, then flew in formation with Ultra D11 and Texas Special. Landed about 2 feet from Texas Special. FUN!
12-23-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU D11-P None - CATO 0-5 mph winds RIP 24mm Orange - Would-be maiden launch. The motor CATO'd upon ignition exploding the rocket into pieces beyond repair, was quite amusing to watch nonetheless. Status: CATO'd
10-06-2007 Keith Hamel AT RMS E18-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: Amesbury
- Cool flight. Quick off the pad, nice floating recovery.
06-28-2008 Keith Hamel AT RMS F24-4 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Section Launch
- Nice flight, gotta love the loud F24 nice flame lots of smoke.
04-22-2006 Bob Harrington Est SU C6-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS Section launch
- Low and slow. Typical saucer flight
04-22-2006 Bob Harrington AT RMS D24-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS Section launch
- Flight on RMS D24 was not much higher than the C6.
09-09-2006 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: CATO monthly launch
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06-30-2007 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Fun saucer flight.
09-16-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU B6-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- LOw flight.
10-20-2007 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
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11-17-2007 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- nice loud smokey flight
01-12-2008 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS Winter Follies
- Another crowd favorite. Loud roar and plenty of smoke.
06-28-2008 Bob Harrington AT RMS D13-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice loud launch. Typical saucer flight.
08-27-2005 Ken Jarosch Est SU D12-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- RED Saucer made a fast tight corkscrew going up. Rear turbulence filled the smoke behind the back shroud. Tumble recovery, no damage.
08-27-2005 Ken Jarosch Est SU D12-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- RED Saucer made a fast tight corkscrew going up. Rear turbulence filled the smoke behind the back shroud. Tumble recovery, no damage.
08-27-2005 Ken Jarosch Est SU D11-P None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- Yellow. The same woosh-woosh-woosh sound of the corkscrew on ascent. Even in 10-20mph winds it flew great. Aerobrake recovery too.
08-27-2005 Ken Jarosch Est SU E9-P None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- RED. The E9 took the saucer to the D heights then weathercocked. At the end of thrust it aerobraked slowly pushed back by 15-20mph winds.
07-11-2005 Ritchie Sollis Est SU D12-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - very nice flight,went straight up and landed only 15 feet from pad
04-23-2005 Dick Stafford Est SU D12-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: TRF #3
- The fastest and staightest of the 4 saucer flights.
04-24-2005 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-4 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: TRF #3
- Really nice flight.
06-05-2005 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-P None - Tumble Calm Event: NOVAAR
- Great as usual
 

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