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Art Applewhite Rockets
Cinco Saucer 13mm
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REC'D MOTORS: 1/4A3-3T, 1/2A3-2T,A3-4T, A10-3T, A10-PT

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(Contributed - by [Featured Reviewer] Lance Alligood - 09/21/04[Author's Home Page]) Art Applewhite Cinco

Brief:
It looks like FlisKits has some catching up to do because Art Applewhite has gone right past two (Deuce), three (Tres), and 'four' (Quad? Quatro?) and jumped straight to 'Cinco' (Spanish for 'five')! I might come as the bearer of slightly bad news by telling you that cinco/five has to do with how many sides, not how many motors are in this rocket... I can assure you though that this is another awesome draggy design that is a perfect blend of Art's saucers and Qubits, as it definitely combines elements of both to form a new, creative design.

And did I mention that it's FREE?

Construction:
You can download the Cinco from Art's Free Stuff page. (NOTE: There are 8.5"x11" letter and A4 versions available.) The kit--all parts and instructions--print out on one sheet of 110# card stock. The instructions are pleasantly simple, but that is aided by the fact that there are only 2 parts that make up the entire build! The only tools needed are scissors, an X-Acto (or razor utility) knife with fresh new blade, and white glue. A ballpoint pen or a straightedge is helpful to achieve clean, crisp fold lines too.

Art Applewhite Cinco The first piece to be assembled is the motor mount. It is even 5-sided! A series of tabs join together to form the tube with motor block.

The remainder is a single piece of paper that joins together and is reinforced like the free download version of the Qubit. A noticeable improvement is that the exposed parts are much smaller and therefore less susceptible to warping (like on its Qubit brethren) when white glue is applied.

The last step is to insert the motor mount tube into the Cinco body and fillet it with glue. I made a minor mistake of using yellow wood glue instead of white glue, which didn't look so great after it dried on the pale blue paper...

This build is more advanced than the free 13mm Qubit because of the increased number of folds, which might make it too challenging for our young rocketeers, but it still is a quick (less than 1 hour) and fun build for those with previous rocket building experience. The overall shape and design when assembled is truly a hybrid of Art's Qubit and Delta Saucer kits, combining the angular, flat sides of the Qubit with a round saucer-like appearance. I expect flight performance to be right in the middle of the Qubit and Delta Saucer too.

Finishing:
Like all of Art's free download rockets, they do not require any painting. I chose to leave mine blank. If children would like to color them, I would recommend that they do so before gluing the Cinco together to avoid potentially crushing the rocket.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Art Applewhite Cinco

Flight:
Any 13mm motor will work with the Cinco as the top is open to allow the ejection charge to blow freely. However, to get the longest enjoyment out of this design, I strongly recommend sticking to the Estes Blurzz A10-PT plugged motors, which will prevent the top of the Cinco from becoming scorched and discolored. Nowadays, they are also the easiest 13mm motors to find for most folks too.

With a 4-pack of A10-PT motors, I wanted to do a flight comparison between the Cinco, 13mm Qubit, and 4" Delta Saucer. I chose to do this in my backyard with a stock Estes Electron Beam launcher so a drag race was out of the question and I'd have to rely on my memory to judge how high each rocket went. Based on the appearance of the rockets, I expect the 13mm Qubit to be the highest flight (and quickest recovery) because of its smaller profile and more angular sides. The Delta Saucer has the largest diameter (4") with the flattest profile of the three. Lastly, the Cinco is truly a middle ground between the other two--it has the angled sides like the Qubit (although not as pronounced) and is smaller in diameter than the Delta Saucer. My prediction is that the Cinco will have altitudes very much in the middle of the Qubit and Delta Saucer designs.

First up was the Qubit. It leapt off the pad and climbed straight up (even in 5-10mph gusts) to a good 100' before turning over and rapidly drifting back to within 20' of the pad. The first Cinco flight went next. I was impressed with its altitude. It also didn't appear to be significantly affected by the wind when under thrust, but to my eye it ascended a hair slower than the Qubit. I feel confident that it came within 10% of the Qubit's max altitude before flipping over at apogee, then the wind caught it and bounced it off the roof of the house before landing on the ground 30' away. The weather suddenly turned ugly so I had to postpone any more flights that day.

I returned a couple of days later with my 4" Delta Saucer and Cinco. Weather was similar to the previous flight day so I feel that I could favorably compare them again. Starting with the Cinco, it boosted quickly off the pad, however, a gust of wind caught it at apogee, causing it to flutter away and land in the middle of a nearby retention pond where I was unable to retrieve it. I moved the launch pad and adjusted the launch rod to compensate for the wind before loading up my Delta Saucer (which has more than twice as many flights on it than any other rocket in my fleet!) It boosted noticeably more slowly and lower than the Cinco. The Delta Saucer recovered less than 10 yards away from the pad.

Recovery:
As with all of Art's rockets, the Cinco uses truly foolproof aerobraking/tumble/featherweight recovery. Nothing to prep and with the draggy design, you can easily launch this rocket in the convenience of your front yard and all but guarantee that it'll safely land in the grass. (Well, usually anyway...) Low altitude and close recovery! What more could you ask for?!?

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
This is one of Art's most creative designs yet. There are larger versions in the works too. I emailed Art to tell him that he should sell this one but he's already giving it away for free on his website! Yes, Art Applewhite has another winner on his hands with a price you just can't beat!

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by John Lee - 03/08/08)

aaw_13mmcinco_onthepadBrief:
This is a free, easy, 13mm, paper shroud saucer which uses an aerobrake recovery. The 13mm Cinco is a diminutive version of Art Applewhite's Cinco saucer. It is not a kit, per se; it is offered as a free download in the form of a PDF file on his web site.

Construction:
This rocket is made from a single sheet of Card stock. You download the PDF, put a piece of card stock in the printer and print it out. Other than that, you will need some white glue, a straightedge and a razor knife.

Construction begins by cutting out the motor mount. A razor knife is used to carefully cut around the solid lines. Something a bit less sharp should be used in conjunction with a straightedge to score the dashed lines for easy folding. After the mount is cut out, the top tabs of the mount are folded down and glued to the next tab down. The middle tabs are then folded and glued to the interior of the motor mount. When the mount is folded into a tube, these tabs form the thrust ring. The motor tube assembly is set aside to dry while the shroud is formed.

The shroud is also cut out. Again, cuts are made along the solid lines and folds are scored along the dashed lines. A hole is cut for the motor mount and a notch is cut out for the launch rod. The upper part of the shroud is then folded into shape and a tab is used to glue it. After that, the lower shroud is folded and then inverted into the upper shroud. The two shrouds are held together with white glue.

After the shroud has a chance to dry, the motor tube is inserted into the cavity cut for that purpose. Care needs to be taken so that the thrust ring is at the top of the rocket. It should protrude about 1/32" above the top. A fillet of white glue is used to fasten the motor mount to the shroud, top and bottom. With that, construction is done.

Finishing:
The default finish for Art's downloadable rockets is whatever card stock you print it on. In the past, I have applied some decals to the shrouds with acceptable results. This time, I did something a little different. I opened a new file in Pagemaker® and then imported the PDF of the cinco. I then placed the logos for the organizations for which I am affiliated on the 5 sides. I saved the file, generated a new PDF and printed it out. In effect, I "finished" the rocket before it had even been built.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

aaw_13mmcinco_softlandingFlight:
Being lazy, I used a 1/4A3-3. I think I wanted to see if it would even clear the rod since Art himself listed this as an approved motor for this rocket. It did clear the rod and had a few dozen feet to spare. This is a draggy design and I did not expect much else.

It flew straight, inverted at apogee an coasted down using the aerobrake method so hated by the NAR. It recovered fine and is ready to go again.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
This is a nice, free rocket. Unlike many of Art's 13mm freebies, this one is not limited only to a plugged motor. If it fits, you can use it.

  • PROS: free, simple, hard to lose
  • CONS: none

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
08/08 - "I flew my Cinco twice. The first flight was on a A3-4T to about 100 feet. I was very surprised with the stability of this flight. I flew it again on an old A10-3T to about 80 feet. For some reason, by the end of the burn it made a slight arc into a random direction. I think it was because of the drag from the short-burning motor. On both flights the ejection charges at about 30 feet off the ground. Slightly charred after 2 flights, but painted over and ready to fly again. Had very soft landing in dry grass field by our house. I think that this is a very nice UFO kit. Free and easy to build are part of what makes this kit special!" (D.J.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
03/08 - "Awesome little addition to the fleet. Flew straight up, 80-100' and landed within 10yrds of launch pad on a A10-3T. Ejection charge will light at about 30' so keep that in mind. Best flown on A10-PT as suggested. Easy build, ready for many other flights even after landing in street." (T.F.S.II)

GUEST's OPINION:
09/04 - "I too build a 13mm Cinco and concur with this review. Lance, I really like your comparison with the other two products." (D.S.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/08 - "Note for the manufacturer: The tip given by M.K.W.G on 01/06 about tabs on the bottom is in error. The tabs are meant to be folded outwards, towards the printed side, and not folded under which would be very awkward. The instructions have been updated to make this more understandable. If the tabs are fold up instead of under, they fit without the need for any trimming. (Nick fell free to edit this as you see necessary. I've been ignoring M.K.W.G.'s error for a while now but since there is a new review on the Cinco, I feel the need to correct it.)" (A.A. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/08 - "Note from the manufacturer: The tip given by M.K.W.G on 01/06 about tabs on the bottom is in error. The tabs are meant to be folded outwards, towards the printed side, and not folded under which would be very awkward. The instructions have been updated to make this more understandable. If the tabs are fold up instead of under, they fit without the need for any trimming. Thanks for the feedback." (A.A. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
01/06 - "I agree with the above review, except in the UK plugged 13mm are fard to find. I've made 3 of theses and they're good flyers. The tabs for the bottom side of the cinco are square and when they are folded under they overlap. i have found it best to trim them at a 45 degree angle, it makes gluing that bit easier. also soak the engine block with a bit of CA glue, it stops the ejection charge from charing the top. (Or use a plugged motor)" (M.K.W.G. )

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
09-14-2004 Lance Alligood Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Surprisingly this was within 10% of altitude with 13mm Qubit. I thought broader shape would keep it lower. Landed within 30ft of pad.
09-17-2004 Lance Alligood Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds RIP - Great height again but I didn't account very well for the wind. It tumbled into a nearby retention pond. Status: Lost
10-08-2004 Donald+Jr Besaw Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Nice quick flight, tumbled down and landed right behind me. No damage. I love these little paper saucers.
10-22-2004 Donald+Jr Besaw Est SU 1/2A3-2 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Nice flight. No damage.
10-08-2006 Edward Chess Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: FVR-7
- Fast, stable ascent. A fun little saucer to watch.
10-09-2004 Bob Cox Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble Calm - Drag raced against an AAW Delta saucer. This is MUCH faster. Screamed off the pad, popped the ejection charge, and landed gently about 20 feet from pad.
03-21-2005 Keenan Cox Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - Good dusk flight. Flame very bright. First flight of the rocket. I would say that it flew to about one hundred feet. Landed about twenty feet from the pad.
09-28-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Bluey - Maiden flight. Bluey screamed off the launch pad at surprisingly high speed to a nice altitude a tad over 100ft, rocket landed about eight metres from launch pad.
09-28-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Bluey - A nice repeat of the maiden launch, this time as the sun was setting. Lovely red flame from the motor as the rocket gained altitude (again to a tad over 100ft), rocket landed six metres from launch pad.
10-01-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Bluey - Very nice fast launch, no dramas with recovery. Art Applewhite sure does have a winner at hand with these 13mm saucers.
10-10-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - Fantastic super-fast launch. Nice aerobrake recovery that entertained spectators.
10-29-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU 1/2A3-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - No A10-PT motors at hand so went with the 1/2A3-4T. Nice leisurely liftoff from the launch pad and recovered nicely. Slight charring at the top of the motor mount due to a healthy ejection charge.
01-05-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Bluey - First launch for 2007!!! Great flight with rocket taking off very fast. Landed 10 metres from launch pad, nice aerobrake recovery.
03-02-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - Made it to a tad over 100ft, very nice flight!!!
03-12-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - Rocket zoomed off launch pad at terminal velocity, very nice!!! No damage.
07-01-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU 1/4A3-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - A nice little flight.
09-17-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - Wind test. Great low-altitude flight with nice arobrake recovery. No damage upon retrieval.
11-08-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Bluey - Wind test, nice low flight.
01-09-2008 Peter Davidson Est SU A10-0 None - Tumble Calm Bluey - Fantastic flight, very fast. Easy aerobrake recovery.
03-09-2008 Peter Davidson Est SU A3-4 None - Tumble Calm Bluey - Great evening park flight with textbook aerobrake recovery.
01-21-2006 Matt Gillard Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds blue - A good lift, flipped over and fell about 20 foot before the ejection charge, straight decent and then tumbled the last 20 foot. slight charring to the top.
01-02-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds blue - good clean flight
11-18-2006 Bob Harrington Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section Launch
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09-05-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Event: Back Yard
- Great backyard flight.
09-05-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Event: Back Yard
- Great backyard flight.
09-05-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A10-P None - Tumble Calm Event: Back Yard
- Great backyard flight.
03-20-2006 Sam Johnson Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - nice flight.
08-16-2008 Mark Kulka Est SU A10-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Cinco #1 - Tupper Lake. Very fast, straight boost to about 150'. Tumbled on recovery and drifted a bit with the wind, landing about 70' from the pad. Another great flight from one of my most-flown AAW rockets.
03-08-2008 John Lee Est SU 1/4A3-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
Cinco de Juan - Good, but low flight. It really will work on a 1/4A
03-29-2008 John Lee Est SU A3-4 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Alamo Rocketeers SNAP Launch
Cinco de Juan - I think this is the best motor for this rocket
07-11-2008 John Lee Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble Calm Event: Witte Museum Make and Take
Cinco de Juan -
09-12-2006 Ed Scientist Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - Really cool low flight. These are great models.
09-11-2004 Dick Stafford Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: NARHAMS
Prototype - great flight
04-24-2005 Aaron Stanley Est SU A10-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Great flight went about 100 feet up and land only about 10 feet away from the pad another great rocket for flyign in your front yard.
 

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