Estes - Guardian (2179) [2003-]

(Contributed - by Lance Alligood - 10/30/03)

Brief:

This is an Estes 2003 level 2 kit. It is very similar to the Estes Polaris but with different fin alignment. The kit uses Parachute recovery.

Construction:
The kit contains:

• A main body tube
• Upper body tube
• Adapter
• Launch lug
• Nose cone
• Motor mount
• Die cut fin sheets
• Shock cord
• Assembled 12 inch parachute and decals.

PROS:

• Typical easy-to-follow Estes instructions (excellent diagrams & text).

CONS:

• Lots of fins to line up.
• The cutout to mark the fin lines for the upper body tube is too short to wrap around the tube correctly (so if you use the cutout, your fins will not line up properly--use the Estes marking guide instead!)
• Consider replacing the shock cord with one at least twice as long.

Construction starts with the motor mount (like most Estes kits). The small fins that edge up to the bottom of the main BT are glued on next. Give yourself plenty of time for those to dry before tackling the step of gluing the larger fins so that all fins line up properly. While those are drying, move on to assembling the nose cone, upper BT, adapter & fins. Instructions suggest rounding the edges of the fins on the upper BT after gluing them on. Do it before you glue instead! It is much easier & there is less risk of damage to the fins.

Attaching the shock cord & parachute are the final steps before painting (although I prefer to do these steps in reverse order).

Finishing:

PROS:

• Aggressive looking rocket no matter what paint scheme is used.

CONS:

• Large spiral in main BT. I would consider going the extra steps to fill & sand for a more attractive, smooth finish.
• Beginners should not expect this rocket to look like the packaging - the decals are much smaller & more simple than the multicolor design suggests.

I considered an attempt at emulating the paint job on the packaging but I am still coming up to speed as an enthusiast who has been out of the loop for almost 20 years. Instead I went with a simple white Nose Cone / black BT scheme. The instructions don't mention this but I recommend sanding the main BT with some 400 grit paper before priming. Also, if you paint this a light color on the Nose Cone section, use a white primer so you get a consistent shade. I finally applied the self-adhesive decals (which I trimmed slightly on one end so they would butt up evenly against the edge of the BT) & finished with a clearcoat.

Construction Rating: 3 out of 5

Flight:

PROS:

• Easy preparation.
• Excellent flights on both a B6-4 & C6-5.
• 12" chute allows for recovery that should be close to launch site even on a windy day.

CONS:

• With any Estes rocket, keep an eye on the shock cord near the mount for damage after flight.

Recommended motors for this rocket are the A8-3 B4-4 B6-4 (first flight) C6-5.

3 or 4 pieces of recovery wadding along with the chute fit very easily & quickly inside the BT. Make sure that top fins are aligned with the main body fins before launch. With the large BT, you do not have to fold & wind up the parachute tightly to get it to fit inside.

I flew the rocket twice. After reading reviews of the Estes Polaris, I had the impression that an A8-3 wouldn't be enough to push a rocket with such a large diameter main BT & 9 fins.

First flight was on a B6-4. Very straight trajectory even into a slight wind. Picture perfect & excellent height.

Second flight was with a C6-5. Again it had excellent trajectory with considerably greater height & speed.

Recovery:

PROS:

• Rocket comes down nice on the provided chute.

On both flights the ejection charge fired at apogee & the parachute opened flawlessly. The 12" chute allows for safe but rapid descent close to the launch site even on windy days (minimal drift).

Consider replacing the plastic chute with a mylar one. Make sure to use 4 pieces of wadding or you will quickly shorten the lifespan of your shockcord as well.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:

OVERALL PROS:

• Great looking rocket even when standing still.
• High, straight flights on B & C engines.
• Perfect recovery with a 12" chute.

OVERALL CONS:

• Lots of fins that need to be aligned together.
• Minimal decals compared to the picture on the packaging.

I had high hopes for this design when building it & I was not disappointed. The Guardian is going to be one of the highlights in my personal fleet as long as it continues its high flights & great recoveries.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight Log

Date	Rocket Name	Motor(s)	Altitude	Notes
2001-07-06	Alex Laraway's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Didnt fly straight due to the fin positioning tool. Landed 300 yards away.
2003-03-09	Donald Besaw's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Perfect first flight, heard a unusually loud whistle after motor burnout. Recovered close with no...
2003-03-15	Donald Besaw's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Very nice flight to about 700-800 feet and whistled like the last time. Moderate walk for...
2003-04-13	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Impressive first flight. Perfect flight, deployment & return. Landed within 50 ft of launch site.
2003-04-13	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Most powerful launch of the day. Appeared to have easily hit 700ft (listed max on packaging)....
2003-04-27	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Picture perfect flight/ejection/recovery. I LOVE THIS ROCKET!! New mylar chute returned it safely...
2003-05-10	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Another perfect launch. Cocked slightly into the wind & then drifted ~100ft from the pad after the...
2003-05-17	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another perfect flight even though it was a bit windy. Even with a spill hole in the chute, I...
2003-05-27	Jason Vennard's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Another nice flight, ejection perfect at apogee. Chute tangled a bit. This time suffered a zipper,...
2003-05-27	Jason Vennard's Estes Guardian	B4-4	-	Nice flight but ejection late on this delay, estes dent but no other problems. Nice recovery on 12...
2003-05-28	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Highest flight of the day that safely recovered. Perfection.
2003-06-07	Donald Besaw's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Nice flight. No damage.
2003-06-07	Donald Besaw's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Very nice flight, reached about 750 feet. No damage.
2003-07-01	Matt Vennard's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	2nd flight, much better on the C. Quick, straight boost, chute ejection right at apogee and...
2003-07-01	Matt Vennard's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Good First flight. Good straight boost, but needs a bit more motor. Delay about right, recovered...
2003-07-04	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	I lost 3 other rockets today but this one never fails to provide me with a successful flight.
2003-07-19	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	This flight weathercocked pretty badly. No harm done however...just a long walk to recover it.
2003-08-30	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Hadn't flown this one in a while & it didn't disappoint. I almost forgot that this is still one of...
2003-09-01	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another great flight on a C6-5! It did weathercock into some high winds (it was calm on the...
2003-09-12	Lance Alligood's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Weathercocked into the wind on its way to almost 500ft. Drifted about 200ft away from pad....
2003-10-04	Warren Wattles's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Perfect flight - landed 25 yards downwind.
2003-11-30	Jason Reeder's Estes Guardian	B6-2	-	Nice flight on a windy day...Melted chute and came down very hard...popped a fin and lost...
2003-12-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Nice straight flight to about 750ft., good deploy at apogee, landed about 100ft. from pad, no...
2003-12-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-3	-	good straight boost to about 750ft., chute ripped off shroud lines from early deployment, landed...
2004-01-16	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	good flight to about 500ft., good deploy, landed about 50ft. from pad, Estes ding at end of body...
2004-01-16	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	B4-4	-	good boost to about 450ft., landed about 50ft. from pad, same dent at end of body tube again,...
2004-02-14	Kyle Hancock's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2004-02-20	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	good fast boost to about 750ft., good deploy just past apogee, landed about 150ft. from pad, same...
2004-03-14	Kyle Hancock's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Nice flight.
2004-04-10	Kyle Hancock's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Minor damage
2004-04-16	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Nice easy boost to about 500ft., good recovery about 75ft. from pad, no damage
2004-04-24	Kyle Hancock's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2004-05-07	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Straight flight to about 400ft, good deploy at apogee, landed about 50ft from pad, no damage
2004-05-22	Jason Vennard's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Nice quick and straight boost, quick up off the pad lost sight until chute deployed. Recovered...
2004-06-10	Donald Besaw's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Great flight with some spinning during boost. I put just a bit too much rod angle on it though and...
2004-08-07	Andy Turits's Estes Guardian	B4-4	-	As perfect as previous. Check this... Extra sheet of wadding...no blowback damage to stock estes...
2004-10-04	Mark Muir's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-	A8-3 is a bit under powered for this but easily kept it in the ballpark landing area. Lost tail...
2004-10-11	Mark Muir's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-	Nice Flight. Landed about about 50ft from pad. No fin damage this time.
2004-10-16	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Great flight, sperated at ejection, retrieved both parts with no damage, time to replace shock cord
2004-10-18	Alex Jordan's Estes Guardian	B4-4	250 feet	Good boost, arched over before apogee
2004-10-31	Mark Muir's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-
2004-10-31	Mark Muir's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-
2004-11-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Great flight to about 1000 feet, landed about 100 feet from pad, no damage
2004-11-21	Kyle Hancock's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2004-12-10	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Good straight flight, ejection just past apogee, landed about 50 ft from pad, no damage
2004-12-12	Scott Hauffg's Estes Guardian	C11-3	-	KICKS BUTT on this engine. Estimate about 1000 ft. Reefed chute with spill hole due to wind came...
2004-12-18	Scott Hauff's Estes Guardian	D12-5	-	YEEEEEHAAAAWWWW!!! This is the engine for this baby!!! Ripped off the pad to about 1200ft....
2004-12-26	J Bolduc's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Probably our toughest rocket. Nice high flights on C motors and always a short walk for recovery....
2004-12-28	Scott Hauff's Estes Guardian	D12-5	-	Very fast and high flight on this engine. Est. ~1200ft. This has been the best flight for this...
2004-12-31	Scott Hauff's Estes Guardian	C11-3	-	Nice fast boost to about 900ft. Close recovery on a 3x48 streamer. Broken fin can be repaired.
2005-01-28	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another nice straight flight to about 700 ft, ejection perfect at apogee, landed about 100 yds...
2005-02-06	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Went out of sight, landed approx 400 ft. away. One of the front fins on the nose cone, seems to...
2005-02-06	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	The new chute, caused the rocket to thermal, and it drifted about 600 ft. longest walk of the day,...
2005-02-06	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Sky cleared up some, and while this launch went as high as previous C launch, the ejection was...
2005-02-06	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	B6-5	-	Flew with broken front fin (very small), didnt seem to have any effect on flight. Came down within...
2005-02-06	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	B6-5	500 feet	Nice visible flight, landed aprox. 50 ft. away, even with 4 sheets of wadding, the 12 plastic...
2005-02-11	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another nice straight flight from this rocket, ejection at apogee about 700 ft, landed about 100...
2005-02-13	Stuart Prillaman's Estes Guardian	B6-5	-	parashute carried it about 200 yards, into a previously unseen lake. motor stuck, but whole...
2005-04-08	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Good flight, used drag recovery with just long shock cord in high wind, recovered about 100 yds...
2005-05-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	Another good flight, used drag recovery to stay on small field, landed about 150 yds from pad, no...
2005-06-22	Brian Hitch's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Have had built for 2 years and finally got a chance to fly, Great first flight, recovered nicely...
2005-09-17	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Great straight flight, weather cocked slightly, landed about 100 ft from pad, no damage
2005-10-08	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another good flight to about 800 ft, landed about 100 ft from pad, no damage
2005-11-12	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	Good flight, a little wobbly in high wind, landed about 150 yds from pad, no damage
2006-01-15	Dave Brunsting's Estes Guardian	B4-4	-	The rocket flew perfectly but this is the wrong motor for this bird. The delay was frighteningly...
2006-01-15	Dave Brunsting's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-
2006-01-21	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	Another great flight for this little rocket, ejection perfect at apogee, landed about 100ft from...
2006-02-26	Dave Brunsting's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2006-03-12	Dave Brunsting's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Not sure why this ejected so late. Usually a good motor for this rocket.
2006-04-15	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D21-7	-	Bolted off the pad, straight up, great ejection just before arc, landed about 100 yds from pad, no...
2006-05-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D24-7	-	Another blisterring flight for this little rocket, straight up, ejection perfect, landed about 200...
2006-05-21	Edward Chess's Estes Guardian	B6-0/B6-4	-	Flown with home-built gap-staged booster. Sustainer went horizontal at ignition. Parachute...
2006-07-02	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D24-7	-	Little rocket takes another bruising ride, came through like a champ again, landed about 150 yds...
2006-07-08	Brady Cutts's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Smooth launch with ~10 degree weathercocking above 20'. Ejection charge slightly fused chute ends...
2006-07-10	Brady Cutts's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Perfect launch and flight. Spill hole in chute. Landed within 20 yards of launcher. NC struck and...
2006-07-10	Brady Cutts's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another great launch in perfect conditions. Landed within 30 yards of launchpad. NC struck BT and...
2006-10-10	Lucas Kalathas's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Perfect flight up - Kevlar knot snapped - Nose cone came down nicely, although the sustainer did...
2006-12-03	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Good easy flight on small field, ejection at apogee, landed about 50 yds from pad, no damage
2007-01-13	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Another good straight flight, winds kept it a little lower, ejection just before apogee, landed...
2007-01-27	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D13-7	-	Another speedy flight for this little rocket, ejection at apogee, landed about 200 yds from pad,...
2007-03-10	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Easy flight for this little rocket, usually gets abused with AT D-13 or D-24 reloads. ejection at...
2007-03-25	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	First flight. Flew very straight with no roll.
2007-04-22	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2007-05-19	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Very nice flight on this motor. Short walk even with brisk winds.
2007-06-10	Edward Chess's Estes Guardian	B6-4	215 feet	Modified to have an altimeter.
2007-07-01	Chris Gonnerman's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Nice flight, but the chute shroud lines burned off and it came down hard. Surprisingly, no damage...
2007-07-29	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2007-08-11	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D24-7	-	Abused again on Aerotech reload, came through like a champion again.
2007-09-22	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2007-11-03	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2008-02-06	Lachlan Rhodes's Estes Guardian	C6-3	-	Ejection too early damaged the shroud lines. Fast fall but no damage.
2008-03-15	Jeff Boldig's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Broke the leading edge of one forward fin off. Wierd.
2008-06-02	Brian Guzek's Estes Guardian	B4-4	-	Nice flight.
2008-06-21	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D24-7	-	Another better not blink flight. Little rocket keeps taking a beating. Landed about 75 ft from the...
2008-07-12	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Easy flight for this well abused rocket. Nice recovery about 50 ft from pad. No new damage.
2008-07-27	Brian Guzek's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-
2008-07-27	Brian Guzek's Estes Guardian	A8-3	-
2008-07-28	Brian Guzek's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Used as NARAM-50 Set Duration model. Placed 3rd.
2008-10-12	Tim Dicke's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-
2008-11-09	Leigh Metzroth's Estes Guardian	C6-3	-	Some slight weathercocking
2008-12-14	Leigh Metzroth's Estes Guardian	C6-3	-
2009-01-11	Leigh Metzroth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-
2009-02-21	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	A 5 delay is better but not as high. This baby really rolls.
2009-02-21	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	All the extra fins keep this little one str8.Nice flight to 800'.Landed 10' from the pad
2009-03-08	Leigh Metzroth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Some damage to the strakes, maybe the ejection flung the forward portion back and it hit a fin as...
2009-03-28	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-7	-	Once again a nice fast flight to maybe 850'. Hit the launch pad upon landing ,no damage and no...
2009-05-09	Mike Kiss's Estes Guardian	D13-7	-	Another abuse of this little rocket. Came through like a champ again. landed about 100 yards from...
2009-06-19	Glenn Roth's Estes Guardian	C6-7	800 feet	Perfect flight, and streamer ejection; landed 30 yds away
2009-08-15	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	A perfect flight to 800'. Short walk to retrieve this gem.
2009-08-22	Edward Chess's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Very high flight--just barely stayed on field.
2009-09-19	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Str8 up to 800'. Perfect flight and recovery.
2009-10-17	Alan Kaiser's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Something happened at ejection and a fin got knocked off. Luckily it landed about 20 feet in front...
2009-11-07	John Venable's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Fast flight to 650'.weathercocked into wind but still a great flight.You gotta love a 9 finned...
2010-04-18	Stephen Morrow's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Great flight, great recovery
2010-08-14	Edward Chess's Estes Guardian	B6-4	221 feet	Launched with altimeter mounted in extended payload section. Good chute and recovery.
2010-10-05	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Picture-perfect! A nice arc into the breeze, a seemingly long delay, and perfect chute...
2010-10-05	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Maiden flight for the Guardian. A perfect, maybe slightly underpowered, flight of 20s duration.
2010-11-06	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	The C6-5 is the perfect motor for the Guardian. An arcing flight into the wind, but drifted 300...
2010-11-06	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	Weathercocked into the wind and seemed to take forever for the ejection charge, landed 20 feet...
2011-04-10	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Delay was WAY too long in 10 mph winds. Launched in a big arc into the wind and barely recovered...
2011-06-01	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-3	-	C6-3 was a perfect choice, given the breeze today. I reefed the chute, too, and recovered the...
2011-06-30	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Nice boost, but the chute tangled on the engine hook right after ejection. Came down like a sick...
2011-06-30	Justin Stotter's Guardian	B6-4	-	First flight. Weathercocked slightly. 30yds downwind recovery on 16" vented mylar parachute.
2011-06-30	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-	Weathercocked slightly, landed 50yds downwind on 16" mylar vented mylar parachute. Good altitude.
2011-07-03	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-07-03	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-	Perfect flight.
2011-07-04	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-07-04	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-07-09	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-07-16	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	B6-4	-	I was a bit leery of using a C6, since I had nearly lost my Hornet. Nice, not-too-high flight on...
2011-07-23	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-07-25	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-08-05	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2011-08-08	Justin Stotter's Guardian	B4-4	-
2011-08-13	Justin Stotter's Guardian	B6-4	-
2011-10-05	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	C6-5	-	Landed hard on the gravel parking lot with no damage. A nice C-powered flight.
2012-02-01	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	Estes C6-5	-	Came down quick on a 12 inch chute with spill hole. Landed hard on gravel with only minor...
2012-03-14	Dean Booth's Estes Guardian	Estes C6-5	-	This rocket is rugged and reliable. Drifted under a 12-inch chute with spillhole, landed on top...
2012-04-12	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-
2012-05-19	Justin Stotter's Guardian	C6-5	-

Comments:

R.D. (April 23, 2003)

This was one of those kits that I bought on a 2003 kit binge. The recessed motor mount on mine went just far enough back that the lip of the hook catches on the inside of the rocket and I had to use a pair of pliers to straighten out the edge of the hook so it can fully release a motor. The main body tube is made out of the white exterior tube that Estes doesn't use a lot in favor of the glassine coated tubes like they do for the forward tube and it has a large spiral that was mostly covered up by my painting but is still there. Emulating the paint job is a tricky task and requires some patience. It took a while just to get how to mark out the sections of the fin coloration. I ended up botching the paint job on the front section and that is just a flat white. The monokote paint I'd bought a long time ago and discovered its problems is the main cause for my problems with painting (it likes to bubble and peel up except if used with the lightest coats). Either way, it is a really nice looking rocket and should be high on my launch agenda.

L.A. (May 11, 2003)

Like you can tell from my review & especially my flight logs, this is one sweet rocket. I've become so fond of it that I am deeply considering getting a second one & converting for use with D & E engines. Since my review I also added a Kevlar® shock cord that runs around the rearend of the MMT tube, up through the body & then has a 3ft shock cord attached (because you don't want a upper BT/NC as big as this one snapping back & hitting the BT!) With those simple modifications, this rocket is darn near indestructible. The Guardian also descends quickly & safely with a 12" chute even on windy days.

J.W. (July 20, 2003)

This rocket is a great flyer and is pretty easy to build. As far as emulating the paint job, I didn't even try. Instead, I gave it two coats of primer then two coats of racing orange and finally painted tiger stripes on it. Don't ask me why, I just thought it'd look cool, which it does. I agree with the need for the safety cord, and one might think about using a mylar chute instead of the plastic one. I always seem to singe some part of it. Anyway, the rocket is very stable and tracks perfectly with little noticeable weathercocking. Altogether, a wonderful rocket.

J.H. (May 20, 2004)

Great simple rocket! I have flown this rocket 4 times with a C6-5. She flies high and straight every time. I have. of course, added shock cord length and a mylar parachute from rocketheads. If I want a guaranteed good flight to impress, I grab the Guardian.

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