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Estes - Hi-Flier {Kit} (2178) [2003-]

Manufacturer:Estes
Diameter:0.7400 inches
Length:12.0000 inches
Skill Level:1
Style:Sport
Construction Rating:
Flight Rating:
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Estes Hi-FlierBrief:
Minimum diameter, featherweight rocket that can soar well out of sight (1600+ ft according to Estes). Streamer recovery. Very similar to Estes Sizzler & Estes Star Dart.

Construction:
Parts list:

  • Body tube (which doubles as motor mount)
  • Metal motor retention clip
  • Spacer tube
  • Mylar sleeve
  • Paper thrust ring
  • Die-cut balsa fins
  • Launch lug
  • Shock cord
  • Nose cone with insert
  • Streamer
  • Decal

Typical easy-to-follow Estes directions. Start with gluing the thrust ring then motor mount clip held by the Mylar ring. Next comes the fins (with notches to allow for the Mylar ring). Nose cone needs plastic cement to join the 2 pieces. Lastly the shock cord is attached to the BT with the usual paper mount & tied to NC. Streamer is tied to the shock cord.

PROS:

  • Assembly goes quickly since there are few parts.

CONS:

  • Ugly gap in the middle of the fins to allow for the Mylar ring. (Need to use a putty-esque solution to eliminate these holes.)
  • Clean lines of design are marred by the external motor retention system.
  • The wing thickness is well...not very thick. If not attached well, I would expect bad things if one came off in flight.
  • Assuming I'd had a safe flight, I bet I would have found that the shock cord is too short.

A streamer is the proper recovery method for this small, ultralightweight design. A common issue with the Hi-Flier/Star Dart/Sizzler is that BT damage can occur with the stock shock cord. Replace it with longer elastic.

Finishing:
PROS:

  • Achieving a finish similar to the packaging is relatively easy, even for a beginner, as long as you use patience with the colors...(this was one of my first rockets & I tried to rush it.)

CONS:

  • None

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
This was my first rocket built & launched after a near-20 year absence from model rocketry. Since I had pretty much ruined the rocket with a horrid paint job (my own fault), I had already considered this rocket a loss. I wasn't disappointed...(which isn't a good thing.) It was a windy day out & the only engines I had were B6-4s. There was just enough room for the engine, a couple pieces of wadding & the streamer.

It screamed off the launch pad ~200 feet & then suddenly appeared to turn horizontal. It vanished from sight & was not recovered. (I have since assembled an Estes Star Dart which I have successfully flown twice.) I'm sure my Hi-Flier's flight was an anomally & should perform similar to the Star Dart.

I also learned with my Star Dart that an A8-3 is probably the ideal engine for a rocket this small, that a B6-4 should only be used if you have plenty of field & little if any wind, & that a C6-5 should only be used when you no longer want the rocket in your fleet!

Recovery:
PROS:

  • Very exciting & fast launches for a rocket with an A or B class engine.

CONS:

  • I was unable to recover mine--I'm going to guess that a wing came loose to cause the rapid change in trajectory. I was also flying it on a windy day (gusts over 10mph) & with a big engine (B6-4) considering the rocket's overall weight.
  • Even with a streamer, this rocket is so light that you still can expect to have to chase it on mildly windy days.

Flight Rating: 2 out of 5

Summary:
There are plenty of ways that these minimal design rockets can be damaged/lost/destroyed. Thankfully it takes little money & time to get this high flier--I mean Hi-Flier, ready for action. Even small engines can send it out of sight. I would consider the Hi-Flier to be in the "Gee, it was fun while it lasted" category.

Even if you are careful with motor selection & weather conditions, I still wouldn't expect many successful flights out of the Hi-Flier. The fins are frighteningly thin balsa, the motor mount clip is on the outside of the BT, & the shock cord in the package is too short...all of which have a couple of reasons each that can lead to failure.

Overall Rating: 2 out of 5

    Flight Log

    DateRocket NameMotor(s)AltitudeNotes
    2003-02-12Bill Bill's Estes Hi-FlierA3-4- Launched at a angle; wrapped tape around 13mm motor. Not very high. Launched into the wind; wind ...
    2003-04-06Lance Alligood's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Horrible paint job. My first launch of any kind in almost 20 yrs. Went up ~200ft & then turned ...
    2003-04-12Jason Vennard's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Maiden flight, quick little rocket, nice boost and flight, streamer recovery, no problems.
    2003-06-06Scott Oblander's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Weathercocked badly on takeoff. Burnt throught shock cord. Recovered w/o any additional damage.
    2003-06-29Scott Oblander's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Rocket went off at an angle downwind. Didn't see ejection. Lost in woods.
    2003-06-30Jason Vennard's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Light east winds, nice fast boost again, recovered under streamer straight back down, close to ...
    2003-08-03David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Built without motor hook. I didn't use enough tape on the friction fit, and the motor kicked out ...
    2003-08-12David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Finally got a good flight. Caught a breeze with streamer recovery and drifted quite a ways down ...
    2003-10-04Warren Wattles's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Turned 30 degrees off vertical and went far off range. Was lucky to recover, even in barren ...
    2003-10-12Will Samuels's Estes Hi-FlierC6-7- i glued the nose cone to the tube. it got stuck in the ground then blew the engine out 20 feet. ...
    2004-04-03Warren Wattles's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Arced over to about 45 degrees and disappeared. Unable to find during 25 minute search - returned ...
    2004-04-16Mike Kiss's Estes Hi-Flier1/2A6-2- Good maiden flight in high wind, boost to about 400ft, ejection perfect, landed about 100ft. from ...
    2004-06-18Frank DiMatteo's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Rocket went a couple of hundred feet and then turned horizontal all the sudden. Went about 700 ...
    2004-06-19Donald Laskey's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2004-06-19Donald Laskey's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- almost lost
    2004-06-26Mike Kiss's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Good flight to about 700ft, good deploy at apogee, landed about150ft. from pad, Estes ding at end ...
    2004-06-26David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierA8-5- Tried for a 60 second parachute duration for NARTREK, only got 52 using a 16 inch plastic chute.
    2004-06-26David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- My second one. NARTREK Bronze streamer duration qualifier. 41 seconds using a 3x30 mylar streamer.
    2004-06-27David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- NARTREK Bronze parachute duration flight. 76 seconds using a 12 inch plastic chute with a 2 inch ...
    2004-09-11Chan Stevens's Estes Hi-FlierC6-3-
    2004-09-19Mark Watkins's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Gusty conditions, adjusted launch angle 5'. Rocket tracked straight up approx 800-1000, perfect ...
    2004-10-08Mike Kiss's Estes Hi-Flier1/2A6-2- Nice easy flight to about 100 ft., ejection at apogee, landed about 50 ft. from pad, no damage
    2004-10-16Mark Jones's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Beautiful maiden flight! Person next to me was amazed to hear that it was flying on an A8-3. ...
    2004-10-17Kyle Hancock's Estes Hi-FlierB4-4- Great flight, but kicked motor.
    2004-10-31Chris Muir's Estes Hi-Flier1/2A6-2- Less drift than first. After recovery, discovered external engine clip ripped hole in tube about ...
    2004-10-31Chris Muir's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Nice high first flight. Long drift and hard landing on pavement but no apparent damage.
    2004-11-11Chris Muir's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Launched it and it only went about 200ft, (it curves because i glued the wings on weird) but it ...
    2004-11-11Chris Muir's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Went up very fast at launch, hard to see. Went up about 800ft! Drifted about 500ft, though. No ...
    2005-02-05Kyle Hancock's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- NARTREK Gemini streamer - 38.4 s
    2005-02-20Kyle Hancock's Estes Hi-FlierB4-4- Ben's final NARTEK Gemini flight. PD 1:20.0
    2005-06-09Austin Flora's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Went perfect on an Estes A motor, came down 50 feet away. Decided to spice things up and used an ...
    2005-07-12Willie Legg's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Went up, flew over 100 ft downrange, never saw again. :(
    2006-02-19Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IA8-3- Great flight - recovery on streamer.
    2006-02-19Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IA8-3- streamer wadded - recovered ok.
    2006-03-05T Muir's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2006-03-17Jeff Hollenbeck's Estes Hi-FlierD21-7- What a launch - worth the money! Very fast off the pad, only saw the red chalk puff at ejection. ...
    2006-03-17Jeff Hollenbeck's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Very quick off the pad, slight arc during boost. Landed about 1/2 mile away. No damage. Club ...
    2006-04-08Richie Plye's Estes Hi-Flier1/2A6-2- Ejection charge blew shock cord to pieces, but all parts were recovered.
    2006-04-09Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IA8-3- Great flight!
    2006-05-06Chan Stevens's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2006-05-21Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IA8-3- Great flight!
    2006-05-21Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IA8-3- Great rocket - zips out of sight!
    2006-06-18Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IB6-4- NAR Bronze streamer duration - 37 seconds! Great flight!
    2006-07-10Brady Cutts's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Nice straight, fast launch. Started to spiral as it approaced apogee. Lost sight until it had come ...
    2006-07-16Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IB6-4- NAR Bronze chute duration attempt - lost after 120 seconds.
    2006-08-19Mike Morley's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- 150-200 ft apogee; recovered OK
    2006-08-19Mike Morley's Estes Hi-FlierA6-4- Apogee 200' -- winds blew past distant treeline -- landed in high weeds on far side of trees; not ...
    2006-08-20Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIB6-4- Popped shock cord mount. Repaired for next flight.
    2006-09-17Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIB6-4- NAR Bronze chute duration - 56 seconds.
    2006-09-17Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIB6-4- NAR Bronze chute duration - 70 seconds!
    2006-09-21Donald Laskey's Estes Hi-FlierB4-4- 32 sec.
    2006-10-07David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6- Another good flight with a 3x30 streamer.
    2006-10-07David Logan's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6- Nice flight, recovered on a 3x30 mylar streamer.
    2006-10-07Mike Kimbler's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2006-10-07Mike Kimbler's Estes Hi-FlierC6-7-
    2006-11-19Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight!
    2007-03-03Karl Kalbaugh's Estes Hi-FlierB6-5- Second flight, Hi-Flier corkscrewed a bit then went down range fast. Took a while to find. The ...
    2007-03-03Karl Kalbaugh's Estes Hi-FlierB6-5- We had high expectations if the Hi-Flyer. Flight one came cork screwing off of the pad and smacked ...
    2007-03-18Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight!
    2007-05-20Chan Stevens's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2007-06-17Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight!
    2007-07-15Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight! Recovered on a streamer.
    2007-08-19Gene Wolski's Flying Frog II1/2A6-2- Shock cord broke, but the rocket was recovered just fine. Someone found the nose cone and returned ...
    2007-09-21Brian Yankee's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- 1st flight. Veered off pad at an 80 degree angle but then flew straight and very high. Streamer ...
    2007-09-21Brian Yankee's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- 2nd flight. Again it came off lauch pad at 80 degree angle but then flew straight and extremely ...
    2008-02-17Gene Wolski's Flying Frog II1/2A6-2- Plastic streamer didn't fully deploy due to cold temps. Will replace with crepe paper for next ...
    2008-03-21Tony Interrante's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3- Two good flights on a8-'3. This is the leasts stable rocket I have from the estes line. There was ...
    2008-05-04Chan Stevens's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4-
    2008-06-15Gene Wolski's Flying Frog II1/2A6-2- Great flight - recovered on streamer near pad.
    2008-09-14Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Streamer got tangled in the shock cord, but otherwise a good all round flight. Came back within ...
    2008-09-14Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Flew straight up for 30ft. Did a few loops then lawn darted.
    2008-09-21 Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight - landed near the pad.
    2008-10-17Chris Rennie's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Flew this 5 times on a B6-4. Launch rod angled at 10 degrees for wind. Flew perfectly every time. ...
    2008-12-14Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6-
    2009-01-18 Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-5- Great flight. Almost lost it in the tall grass, but luckily it was found and returned.
    2009-04-17Mark Grisco's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6- the clouds made it hard to see the tracking smoke today. i heard the flight but did not see much ...
    2009-04-19Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6-
    2009-04-19 Gene Wolski's Flying Frog IIA8-3- Great flight but the shock cord broke. Last Flight of the FF2. To be retired.
    2009-05-01Billy Compton's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- I agree with everyone else on this one. Launch this puppy with a C engine and kiss it bye bye. It ...
    2009-05-17Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6-
    2009-06-20Mark Traverso's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- It flew straight up and looked great but the wind took it away and it was never seen again. I ...
    2009-09-12Eldred Pickett's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5-
    2009-09-13Leigh Metzroth's Estes Hi-FlierB6-6- Rod whip flicked it off at a 45 degree azimuth in a SE direction. Successful flight, but I just ...
    2010-01-23Ken Tsai's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- First flight of the day. ~1000 feet, and a nice way to find out the wind conditions.
    2010-03-13Preston Hoover's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Very windy day. I have not launched for two months. Good flight nice altitude and recovery.
    2010-03-18Preston Hoover's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- Great flight, went around 1,000 ft. For the wind and the motor, I thought we lost it. Landed about ...
    2010-03-25 Preston Hoover's Estes Hi-FlierC6-7- Did you ever hear the one - I shot an arrow into the air, where it landed I know not where? Lost ...
    2010-06-02Sam Moore's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- I had 2 successful launches on a C6-5 motor. During construction I trimmed the fins slightly and ...
    2010-06-24Chris Gonnerman's Lo FlierA10-3- It went off the rod fast, flew straight, ejected near apogee, and came down on the edge of the ...
    2010-08-02Jeff Berger's Estes Hi-FlierA3-5- Jumped off pad and came down with two longer streamers for easy recovery.
    2010-08-02Jeff Berger's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- I knew this one could be lost on C motor, so I placed call if found phone number stickers on nose ...
    2010-08-07vincent penoso's Estes Hi-FlierC6-5- i think the model needs to be checked for CG and CP when using the larger motors. The model ...
    2010-09-10Tom Seemeyer+II's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4- Finally a good flight. Note, 5.32g nose weight was added.
    2011-04-13 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- First launch of rocket with a streamer. Very high flight, but able to see orange paint throughout ...
    2011-06-08Chris Gonnerman's Lo FlierA10-3- Drifted a lot farther than I would have expected, and landed in the neighbor's yard... just ...
    2011-07-04Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Light wind. Temperature 85 degrees. No clouds. Good launch. High flight. Rocket visible throughout ...
    2011-07-13Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Good flight. Able to see throughout flight. Streamer deployed. Wind calm at ground level, but ...
    2011-08-25Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Temperature 77, no wind, clear skies. Rocket quick off the pad, lost to sight at apogee (but could ...
    2011-10-01Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Temperature 54 degrees. Launched 6:20 pm. Good high flight. Visible throughout the flight. ...
    2011-10-01Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Reloaded on site. Launched 6:31 pm. Very high flight in a similar trajectory to first flight. ...
    2011-10-01Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Reloaded on site. Temperature 52 degrees. Launched 6:41 pm. High flight with similar trajectory to ...
    2011-10-16Glen's Hi FlierA10-3T-
    2011-10-22Kurt Knox's Hi-FlierB6-4- Great flight.
    2011-10-23Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Adjusted launch angle to straight up. Good flight. Very high. Lost to sight on ascent, but ...
    2011-11-30Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Low wind from the southwest. Temperature 33 degrees. Sun set, but still light enough to see. ...
    2011-12-12Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Cloudy and dark. Temperature 41 degrees. Wind nearly calm. Launched 4:26 pm. Good flight - flew ...
    2012-01-06Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:25 pm. Temperature: 45 degrees. Wind blowing about 5mph from the west. Partly cloudy. ...
    2012-01-10 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:35 pm. Temperature: 42 degrees. Clear skies. Wind blowing ~10 mph from the south. High ...
    2012-01-21Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:00 pm. Calm. Mostly cloudy. About 4 inches of snow covered the launch site. Good ...
    2012-01-30Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 3:57 pm. Temperature: 48 degrees. Wind: ^ 5 mph from the south. Mostly sunny. High ...
    2012-02-01Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:26 pm. Temperature: 40 degrees. Sunny. Wind blowing ~ 5mph from the north. High flight ...
    2012-02-04Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:45 pm. Temperature: 36 degrees. Wind calm. Mostly sunny. High flight. Lost sight as it ...
    2012-02-20Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 5:00 pm. Temperature: 34 degrees. Wind blowing about 10 mph from the southeast. Cloudy. ...
    2012-03-13 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 4:39 pm. Temperature: 71 degrees. Wind blowing about 5mph from the south. Sunny and clear. ...
    2012-03-25 Chris Gonnerman's Lo FlierA10-3T- Good flight, caught in tree, recovered
    2012-04-15Brad Montgomery's High-FlierB4-4200 feet Good Launch - High winds (15-20 mph), Drove 45 min. and couldn't resist the first launch of the ...
    2012-04-15Brad Montgomery's High-FlierC6-5450 - 500 feet Good Launch - High winds (15-20 mph). Angled the rod into the wind a bit. It went up, streamer ...
    2012-06-06Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 8:25 pm. Temperature: 64 degrees. Wind: ~ 5 mph from the east. Weather: Clear, sunset. ...
    2012-06-24 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 7:25 pm. Temperature: 86 degrees. Wind blowing from the east at 10 - 20 mph. Cloudy. Very ...
    2012-06-30 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 2:55 pm. Temperature: 97 degrees. Wind: Gusting from 5 - 20 mph from the northwest. Weather: ...
    2012-07-20 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 7:58 pm. Temperature: 73 degrees. Wind: Calm. Weather: Sunny. Good flight, very high. ...
    2012-08-29Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 6:35 pm. Temperature: 86.5 degrees. Humidity: 36%. Wind: 5 - 6 mph from the southeast. ...
    2012-09-23 Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 6:40 pm. Temperature: 52.8 F. Wind: 1.2 mph from the west. Humidity: 43%. Weather: Clear, ...
    2012-09-30Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3- Time: 2:00 pm. Temperature: 21.5 C. Relative Humidity: 24%. Wind: 1 - 3 mph from the east. ...
    2012-10-27Christopher Ebert's Hi-FlierA8-3- Straight flight up, good deployment. Looks like I put too much clay in the nose cone, because it ...
    2012-11-03Bob Francis's Orange Blossom SpecialA8-3-
    2012-11-03Christopher Ebert's Hi-FlierB6-4- Straight ascent, good deployment. Started coming down very fast again, but I did recently find out ...
    2012-11-04Christopher Ebert's Hi-FlierC6-5- Successfully located and rescued this rocket from a tree this morning, so I figured it was time to ...
    2013-04-07Jaroslav Racek's Estes Hi-FlierB4-2-
    2013-04-22Jaroslav Racek's Estes Hi-FlierB6-4-
    2013-05-04Jaroslav Racek's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2013-07-27Rob Hoffman's Hi-FlierA8-3387 feet
    2013-08-23Jaroslav Racek's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2013-08-24Jaroslav Racek's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3-
    2014-07-31 Chris Gonnerman's Lo Flier1/2A3-4T- Arced more than the previous two, though it still stayed within my yard. I noticed a small amount ...
    2014-08-24Hans Haase's Hi-FlierB6-4- Stable launch, tracked very nicely. Blew the motor out the back, and not the chute out the top, so ...
    2014-08-29Hans Haase's Hi-FlierB6-4- Lost sight of it on ascent, never saw it again. Probably somewhere in the bean field, no luck in ...
    2015-01-03Dennis Wright's Hi-Flier 13mm (Lost to Tree)A3-4T390 feet Alt2 recorded 390 ft.
    2015-03-21 Ken E. Coyote's Estes Hi-FlierA8-3400 feet Rocket was "wobbly" on the pad...been a while since I launched what was the second rocket I've ...
    2015-07-09Chris Gonnerman's Lo Flier1/2A3-4T- Very straight flight, recovered AOK
    2015-07-11Dennis Wright's Hi-Flier 13mm (Lost to Tree)A3-4T450 feet
    2015-08-22Rob Hoffman's Hi-FlierA10-3T589 feet
    2015-08-22Rob Hoffman's Hi-FlierA8-3387 feet
    2015-09-26 D11Rok's Hi-FlyerA8-3- Fin flutter led to chipping of one fin. Scotch tape held in place for next flight
    2015-09-26D11Rok's Hi-FlyerA8-3- One fin (the one scotch taped) fell off. All 3 fins replaced upon arrival home
    2015-10-06 Chris Gonnerman's Lo Flier1/2A3-4T- Straight flight, minimal drift, good recovery
    2015-10-24D11Rok's Hi-FlyerB6-6-
    2015-10-25 Bill Eichelberger's Estes - Hi-FlierA8-3250 feet Left the pad and angled to the right. Recovered on the hillside over toward the school. Decent ...
    2015-11-01 Dennis Wright's Hi-Flier 13mm (Lost to Tree)A10-3T- This was the second A10-3T this year that has CATOed. The first one was in the Mini Max a few ...
    2015-11-07Dennis Wright's Hi-Flier 13mm (Lost to Tree)A3-4T- Repaired after CATO by cutting away the damaged BT and scabbing a new section in place with a new ...
    2016-03-26 Bill Eichelberger's Estes - Hi-FlierA8-3300 feet Straight flight. Recovered to left of the pad.
    2016-04-30D11Rok's Hi-FlyerA8-3-
    2016-07-01Rob Hoffman's Hi-FlierA8-3387 feet

    Comments:

    (June 4, 2003)

    I agree with the review somewhat. The reviewer took too many points off, in my opinion. However, it is far from perfect. It is quite fragile, and light. This is a good performance rocket. I launched it with an A3-4 at an angle and the rocket took off very fast. Tips: Fill the balsa with sanding sealer/CA to strength them. Omit the motor hook and ring to make the rocket look better. (seal the gap where the fin is perforated for the ring with sanding sealer) Replace the shock cord with a longer piece, or mount a piece of Kevlar® to the motor block.

    P.D. (June 30, 2003)

    This lightweight rocket has pros and cons. On the plus side, its fun to watch this thing go!! It rips with a C6-3, or even any B motor, out of sight in a second - add lots of talc/carpenter's chalk to help you spot it (its small size makes it hard to track)! Another plus is its price. This is good, because on the down side, you will lose this one. The reviewer was exactly right: This one is fun while it lasts. This lightweight gets blown far off course during recovery - even with a streamer. Use a LARGE field (i.e. a farm or something HUGE), or use an A motor, or be sure there's no wind up there. Don't use a C motor unless you just want to see how high it goes! Wave bye bye to the rocket, honey! Don't let your kid build this unless they can deal with this. Oh, overpowering this little one with B or C motors will also highlight any flaws in fin placement. It's skittish. Pay attention to fin alignment - though with its lack of weight, this doesn't matter much - it will get pushed around anyway. All in all, a good $4 rocket, but not a keeper!

    C.P.M. (March 2, 2006)

    A question came up about which motor to use with this model over on YORF. As a test, I measured my assembled kit and transferred the numbers into RocSim V8. What I came up with was interesting, and I have since had some confirmation from another builder with RS8. This model has less than marginal stability with anything over an A8-5. In a nutshell, it's tail-heavy. Using Barrowman calculations, I found a margin of 0.45 with the A8, and about 0.25 with the B6. The RocSim calculations were a bit nicer, with about 1.1 for the A8, but still less than 1 for the B6. The C6 was horrid either way... Reading some of the flight reports here on RMRR about horizontal flights on calm days tends to confirm this opinion. It should also be noted that a 3-sec delay on the A8, a 4-sec delay on the B6, and the 5-sec delay on the C6, caused the deployment to occur at substantially dangerous velocities. Go with the longest delay for each class of motor. The addition of ballast in the nose cone can correct this problem without introducing a massive penalty in altitude. Trial-and-error found that 3/16th of an ounce right at the tip of the nose cone brings the stability to 1.19 for the C6. For those who are still considering this model, keep this in mind.

    B.G. (June 6, 2007)

    This was my 2nd rocket. Took my time and made it really nice, just like the package. Flew twice on A8's and had great flights in a smallish field across the street from my house. 3rd flight on a B6 and never saw it again. It went straight up and out of sight. The flights did not seem unstable but like a few other people said, this rocket can get high enough to do a lot of drifting or just plain get out of sight. I do think that with some simple mods to the recovery system this could be a nice A engine rocket. A little red Permatex in the plastic nose cone and a small chute, may give it some B or C engine capability. For a sub $10 kit maybe I'll try another.

    D.W.M. (June 14, 2007)

    At our most recent club launch last Sunday (June 10, 2007) one of our club member attempted to launch his Hi-Flier on a C6 engine. Model went unstable as soon as it left the launch rod, zigzagged through the air and smashed into the ground at high speeds, totally destroying the model. My suggestion is to make the Hi-Flier main body tube longer to improve the stability.

    Norm Kruse (July 15, 2011)

    I was able to launch the Hi-Flier on four flights. The first flight was on an A8-3 and the second on a B6-4 with good results. It was flow in low wind and a large field so recovery was possible. On the thrid flight, it was fitted with a C6-5. I was a novice at the time and was surprised that it did the corkscrew - no damage or injuries resulted. It was what prompted me to read about rocket flight dynamics and stabilty. Realizing that the CG was too low because of the heavier 'C' motor, I added some fishing weights to the nose cone lug to bring the CG up - all trial and error, no RocSim, no measuring the weight. Put in another C6-5...3-2-1 and it was gone to the moon Alice. Saw it come down, far away in some tall grass...never found it. I would build this kit again, it is a crowd pleaser.

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