Estes Outlander

Estes - Outlander {Kit} (2110) [2003-2008]

Contributed by Greg Brown

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Manufacturer: Estes
Estes Outlander

Brief:
Single stage, parachute recovery with shock-absorbing landing gear.

Construction:
Upper BT-60 body tube of 5 11/16", lower BT-60 body tube of 2", blow-molded ascent module, nose cone and engine nozzle, four legs made of die-cut balsa, 1/8" dowels and foot pads, 18 inch parachute, 24 inch shock cord, numerous die-cut cardboard centering rings, leg support struts, tank tops and bottoms, four BT-50 tubes and eight BT-20 tubes for tanks, and generous "decal" stickers.

The instructions are easy to follow and the illustrations clear for the careful modeler, but this is not a kit to be rushed. It perhaps should be rated higher than a skill level 3, as careful attention to detail is required, particularly to replicate the paint scheme on the card.

One "gotcha": The 2" wooden dowel that is glued to the motor mount is too long, and must be trimmed to allow the fore centering ring to settle in the right position. (The dowel seems designed to keep the holes in two of the rings lined up, and really isn't necessary at all if you simply use one of the leg dowels to line up the holes.)

Estes Outlander To replicate the manufacturer's paint scheme, it is necessary to carefully follow the painting guide provided in the instructions. Painting is not left to the end of assembly, but rather takes place throughout the build. It is also important to mask the areas of various parts to which glue will be later applied.

A razor saw (or perhaps a fine-toothed hacksaw blade) will ensure clean cuts of the leg dowels and when separating the three parts from the ascent module/nose cone/engine nozzle unit.

The legs attach by running dowels through two centering rings on the motor mount, then attaching those dowels to the leg assembly dowels with a length of silicone hinge tube. The two wooden ends inside the tube are kept from rubbing together by small plastic "knee joint" balls.

Estes Outlander Elastic cord attached to a small launch lug on each leg is held to the lower body tube when the engine nozzle is installed to provide shock absorption.

Finishing:
Finishing takes place throughout the construction process and care is necessary. For the dark blue parts of the Outlander, I chose Model Master (by Testor's) "Arctic Blue" spray paint and a matching bottle of the same color to be brushed on the leg support struts and gear housing covers for a perfect match. Legs and tanks are silver with the foot assemblies a bright red. Decals (stickers, actually) are generous and add a great deal to the futuristic look of the model.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
Preparation involved a fair amount of "dog barf" wadding (it is a BT-60 after all!) and motor retention is the familiar tried and true Estes engine hook.

I can't imagine launching the Outlander on either of the recommended B motors. The C6-3 took it on a very straight flight to about 150 feet, and even with the short delay, ejection came a bit late. It did not land on all fours but tipped over without damage.

The second flight was on a Aerotech D21-4, with a flight about three times as high as the C motor. Again very straight with ejection at apogee but the Outlander was circling at the end of the 18" parachute and longer shock cord I had installed (standard three-part Estes mount), and even on a windless day did not "stick" the landing.

Recovery:
The recovery speed seemed about right. The rocket suffered no damage but it failed to land on all fours. Perhaps I made the shock cord too long.

Flight Rating: 3 out of 5

Summary:
This is a beautiful futuristic kit that gets a lot of attention at the launch site. Estes is to be congratulated for coming up with something so far removed from the 3FNC designs that have dominated their catalog in recent years.

It's definitely way more "show" than "go," but as such makes an attention-getting small-field flyer that would be great for demonstration flying for a group of children. It's an excellent value at the full retail price of around $20, though it can be had for several dollars less.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

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    Brief: Based on the Mars Lander design, this is clearly one of the best-looking designs of Estes 2004 fleet. I really wanted to like this. Really. Unfortunately, this great design was very poorly executed and the result is a very disappointing performer. At nearly $30 retail, I can't recommend this kit unless it's for display and being built by someone with considerable patience. If ...

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Comments:

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J.R. ()
Ok, I have one of these and have had fairly good luck with it. The only issue I have with it is DO NOT USE ANY B MOTOR WITH IT. A C6-3 in light winds is OK to fly in but DO NOT USE ANY SMALLER MOTOR. -Jon
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D.W.G. (May 5, 2004)
When painting before building, here is how you deal with the pencil mark problem and glue bonding issues" Mark the tubing per instructions. Take some 1/8" masking tape (or narrower) and plase the tape on the tube wherever a glue joint will go. Paint the tube like normal. Remove the tape, and you wherever the tape was, this is where the parts go. You can also paint first, then mark with pencil, erase were the pencil lines will show, and use a hobby knife to remove the area of paint where glue should go. Either way has its advantages and disadvantages. Also... go with a 24mm motor mount... some thinking will be involved due to the complexity of the size.. but I do agree... that is to big and expensive of a rocket for 18mm motors.
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R.M.F. (May 27, 2004)
Regarding 'peel & stick' decals: Add a drop or 2 of dishwashing detergent to a small bowl of water. Use a brush to wet the area where the decal will be placed. This allows you to poke and prod the decal into position w/o it getting stuck in the wrong place. Use a paper towel to soak up the excess water and allow to dry.
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D.L. (June 6, 2004)
I built mine with a 24mm motor mount. I flew it on 6-5-04 with an E9-4, to about 400 feet. This is a perfect motor for the Outlander. No nose weight was added, and it showed no signs of instability. I recovered it using a 20 inch chute with a spill hole, and it nailed the four legged landing. I agree with the others, it's way to heavy for a C motor.
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M.M.Jr. (January 16, 2005)
The most dangerous kit ever issued by Estes Industries in history. The Estes Outlander kit, introduced in 2004, is a beautiful static model. When properly painted, it is a fantastic sight to see on the shelf. However, as a safety officer for my club, I will order grounded ANY Estes Outlander anyone try to fly off the club field using a black powder 18mm motor. At four ounces, the rocket is just TOO HEAVY to fly using a C motor. With all of those lovely appendages, it is also TOO DRAGGY for C powered flight. A few club members reported seeing their Outlanders crash under power. The vehicle will arch over and hit the ground under ANY TYPE of wind. The one vehicle I saw in flight arched over and crashed into a parked pickup truck that belonged to a member. The owner then threw the excuse for a flying rocket into the trash and walked off in disgust. The only way to safely fly this vehicle is to either use a Aerotech 18 mm D motor or use some type of Estes 24 mm motor D or E motor. This would give the vehicle enough lift to clear the pad and enough altitude to make for a good flight. In the Outlander's current, manufacturer specified configuration, it is UNSAFE to fly. Estes Industries needs to recall the Outlander kit and retrofit them with a 24 mm mount for D and E motor usage. With minor modifications, it would cease being a flying short range attack missile and become a neat vehicle to fly. For those who own an unbuilt Outlander, be sure to discard the 18mm mount and convert the vehicle for a larger motor. It is rare for Estes Industries to issue a rocket that is this badly designed. It was as if it was never flight tested before it was released. However, Murphy's Law happens even to the big rocket manufacturers. Rocketeers, note this warning and fly safe. Happy flying!
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K.F. (July 8, 2010)
I had one of these and really enjoyed building it. In order to build this successfully, you definitely have to follow the directions. My biggest mistake with this rocket was following Estes' motor recommendations. My first flight was on a C6-3. Lift-off was slow and at about 50 feet altitude, the rocket nosed over completely and hit the ground, shattering almost every component of the kit. In nearly 30 years of model rocketry, I had never had a rocket perform so poorly on its maiden flight.
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John R, Brandon III (November 26, 2010)

Wonder if it would be possible to scratchbuild a version using a balsa nose cone and cardstock and paper shrouds to cut the weight down?

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Ken E. Coyote (March 6, 2015)

Another glaring issue I noticed when building this rocket was that the design allowed the lander legs (fins) to flop/flutter in their housings.  In no way are floppy fins good for a rocket and this may explain some of the wild flights (in addition to being under-powered).  I fixed this by gluing small balsa shims to the legs where they rub against the housing.  This resolved the floppy fins and my first test flight on a D12-3 was straight (up) as an arrow.  I highly suggest anyone else thinking of building one of these do the same or if you have one to fix it in this way if you're going to launch it...and definitely use a bigger motor with added nose weight!

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