Estes - Bull Pup 12D {Kit} (1270)

Estes Bull Pup 12D

Estes - Bull Pup 12D {Kit} (1270)

Contributed by John Yurcina

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Diameter:	1.33 inches
Length:	15.60 inches
Manufacturer:	Estes
Skill Level:	1
Style:	Scale

Brief
This is a very well designed sport scale version of the USAF Bull Pup 12D. You should be able to build this rocket if you have a couple other rockets under your belt.

Construction
The first thing I noticed was that this model was in a box. Some Estes kits are in flimsy plastic bags, which makes the parts prone to creases and such. I opened up the box, and all the parts were there, nothing was broken. The materials were pretty much normal. Plastic NC, balsa fins, cheap shock cord mount etc. (See below) The instructions were pretty easy to follow, lots of pics.

TIP: Better shock cord and shock cord mount! As with most Estes kits, replace their shock cord and shock cord mount!

It took me a while to get the fins lined up right, but I finally got it. I used regular 'ol Elmers white glue. Very sturdy.

Finishing
Finishing is pretty basic. I filled the balsa grain with normal sanding sealer, applied a couple of coats of grey sandable Krylon primer, then finished it up with a few coats of Krylon flat white paint. I personally prefer the self adhesive decals, but the decals (water transfer) that came with this kit were satisfactory. When finished, this rocket looks VERY nice.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight
FLIGHT #1- For the maiden flight of this rocket, I used a C6-5. I would have used a smaller motor, but these were left over from last launch and I wanted to use them.

FLIGHT #2- I used a B6-4 motor for this flight, it wasn't as high as the C6-4 was, but it worked for me. I got a little scared as the delay was longer than expected (about 2 secs) and YES, I filled out a MESS form. Luckily, the rocket didn't suffer any damage other than a paint scrape.

FLIGHT #3- Same as last flight, but delay was accurate.

FLIGHT #4- Used a C6-5 again, pretty cool flight. Nominal.

Recovery
I don't have any gripes about recovery. IF you replace the shock cord and mount, then you will be all right, as long as the motor doesn't give you a surprise delay *g* The only damage sustained from flight was a minor paint scrape due to a rough landing, other than that, pretty sturdy rocket.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary
I love this rocket! Flights are high and fast! It is a sturdy rocket if you build it right. Again, my only gripe is the shock cord and mount. REPLACE THEM! Oh yea, there is one more thing I don't like about this rocket, it isn't anything major, but I would prefer a motor hook instead of making tape (friction fit). I feel uneasy about taping my motors into my rockets.....

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Other Reviews

Estes Bull Pup 12D By Matt Gillard and Chris Fisher (June 30, 2010)
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Estes Bull Pup 12D By Jon Revelle
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Estes Bull Pup 12D By Frank Ross
( Contributed - by Frank Ross - 11/01/00) Brief: Upsized motor to 24mm. Modifications: The modification is fairly simple. I sanded down the plastic tail cone until the opening was the same as the inner diameter of a BT-50 motor mount tube. I used a BT-50 to BT-55 centering ring for the forward end of the motor mount and epoxied the aft end of the motor mount into the tail cone, being ...
Estes Bull Pup 12D By Doyle Tatum
(by Doyle Tatum) I purchased this model about 6 months ago and with the upcoming SoAR Birthday celebration launch (the first rocket to fly at a SoAR launch was a Bull Pup) and the discussion of converting to 24mm, on RMR, I decided to assemble the rocket. I assembled the rocket per the instructions with the following additions and exceptions: I cut a 24mm tube and then sanded the ...

Flights

Comments:

A.G. (November 1, 2000)

I found this kit to be a well designed kit. I liked the boat-tail feature and nose cone as well. It flies nearly out of sight with A8-3's and despite parachute shroud line failings (ripped from the now brittle parachute) it has survived well. The friction-fit motor mount stinks though and the shock cord needs to be replaced with a much longer one. I found this review to be right on the money.

C.T. (January 1, 2001)

Got at Walmart for $9.99. Good Kit. It's a little tough to align for a beginner. A lot of people tore those little forward fins off because they make it unstable, but mine flies great. Straight as an arrow. However, I also added extra nose weight to be on the safe side. I made exactly according to instructions and painting according to box and it turned out rather nicely. Looks really nice a great sport scale kit I used this at NARAM-40 when I could not use my blackbird.

M.T.S. (January 1, 2001)

In my opinion I believe that the Estes Bullpup 12D is a very well designed kit. I picked mine up at a local Walmart for $ 9.99. I got to work on it quickly and finished on the the same day as purchased (except for the paint), with the help of some fast drying R/C plane glue I was ready to launch it in about 1 hour. My first launch was with an Estes B6-4 and it flew perfectly. Since then I have logged 30 flights on it and its still in mint condition. The rocket itself is very strong and sturdy and its lightweight construction enables it to have fast and high altitude flights. Overall I really enjoy it. The only thing I would change in the kit is the engine mount. On several flights the engine actually blew out backwards and almost pegged me off in the head.

M.K.H. (October 27, 2001)

This is a pretty nice rocket. Estes appears to have slightly changed the kit, which renders the instructions obsolete. However, the changes mostly are to the parachute and fin stock, and so it does not matter to much. You just have to use your head. Watch out for misalignments in the fins. This is very easy to do. Model looks really nice. I haven't flown it yet, but it will be soon.

W.S. (January 18, 2002)

The reason that I bought the Bull Pup was because of its military history. When I built this rocket I had no problems. I had panted it like it had told me to do, and the decals were a little tricky. The first time that I launched it was with a B6-4. A picture perfect launch! The second launch I used a C6-5, another perfect launch! About the fourth launch I had used a C6-7, the recovery cord separated and that I never saw that pup again. Overall I liked it so much that I bought another one, and is waiting to fly it.

K.R.E. (June 16, 2003)

Totally awesome rocket. First flight was on a B6-4 and the flight was beautiful, straight and impressive. Make sure, like any rocket, that you use enough wadding or create an ejection baffle. Some rockets just seem to fry chutes more than others and this one is a fryer! A little scary was when the chute melted and the Bull Pup came down clay filled, sharp nose-cone first. Ouch, glad it landed in the grass!

D.B. (February 23, 2004)

Great kit! This was probably the coolest low power project I've done in a long time. Due to multiple fin alignments, this kit should probably be done by someone with a little experience first. The parts were good quality, although a motor clip (not included) would be preferred to the friction fit motor mount. Instructions were good, except for the reference to decals. The instructions stated that the decals were the water-slide type, however, they were self adhesive. I found this out after trying to soak one of the smaller ones! This destroyed the adhesive, so I had to use some white glue to repair that one decal. Apparently, this kit may come with either type of decal, so be sure of the type you may get! Looking forward to a spring launch, mostly due to the amount of snow here, and the possibility of having to find a white rocket I lost sight of!!

R.L. (February 27, 2004)

I recently built the 'Pup' after a 34year absence from rocketry. The rocket was constructed following the instructions except for finishing. I found the instructions to be very good however, with my kit a few of the instructions didn't match the drawings and some of the parts were different than pictured. One of the centering rings was factory notched to support the installation of an engine clip that wasn?t in the kit or mentioned in the instructions and the Parachute came already cut with the shrouds installed. I didn?t follow the instructions for finishing. I tried some Krylon paint for plastic. The can suggested that no priming or sanding was required before application. My thinking was that this paint was a thicker paint than the other Krylon paints so, I wouldn?t need to fill the spirals or prime. Wrong! The paint didn't cover any better and in fact the nozzle tended to drip and the drips would get sprayed onto the rocket requiring more aggressive sanding between coats. The first flight of this rocket was a disaster! On the way to the pad two of the fins fell off, poor construction on my part. Over the years I had forgotten that most glues do not stick to the glassine layer on the body tubes. A quick application of some CA and I was back in business. I launched using an A8-3 as specified in the instructions. It didn't go very high, but it went straight and had a good deployment of the 12" chute. It landed about 100 feet from the pad would have been a successful launch except when it hit the ground all the fins fell off except for those attached with the CA. I was hoping to attempt the streamer and parachute duration for NARTREK using the pup. I wish I had known about this website before starting this project. There are so many good suggestions that would have made the project so much more satisfying. I wonder why Estes hasn't incorporated some of these in their kits. My Bull Pup will fly again, with many of the suggested modifications. My thanks to everyone that submitted suggested modifications to this kit and others.

K. W. (July 26, 2004)

I just love this kit. The only issue I have with it is the lack of a motor retaining clip. The rocket flies higher and is a lot faster off the pad than I thought it would be. I've flown it ~5 times using A8-3 and B6-5 motors and have not had the burn issues others have mentioned. Recovery on the stock parachute has not been an issue.

Willy (September 26, 2004)

Great flying model...Have built 2 this year with varying paint schemes. I also had a beef with the lack of engine hooks with this particular kit. In attempt to head off any crisis before they got a chance to prevent themselves, I modified the engine mounts/tailcones to install a engine hook. A braided Kevlar® cord, about 20" long in conjunction to 36" of shock cord is employed to handle ejection tasks. I also use a 12" ripstop nylon chute with Kevlar® shroud lines....We have sans ALL plastic chutes from ALL models in the fleet. No matter how careful, no matter how much or how little the wadding is packed, the melt togethers and burn holes in plastic chutes are irratating to say the least! Good Flyin'

K.G.D. (October 4, 2004)

This is a really cool rocket - inexpensive and fun to build, and it looks really good when you're done. I wish I'd known about this website before I built it, because I used the stock shock cord, gluing it near the top of the BT. After I found this site, the first thing I did was order some Kevlar® shock cord and that is the only way I will make a recovery system from now on. Anyway, when I fired this rocket on a B6-4, the flight was perfect but it pretty much blew out the shock cord and scorched it. I'm probably going to build a scratch Pup now that I know a bit more about how to build this and how to do a recovery system.

W.M.R. (October 27, 2004)

This is my 2nd Bullpup, first one lost in trees many yrs ago. Kit has changed little, shock cord is not rubber and chute is pre-assembled. Constructed as per instruction. First flight: B64 engine. Flew straight and true. Chute was burned on ejection charge and failed to deploy properly. Had Slight damaged on paint upon impact on side of building...almost on the roof. Second flight: C65 engine. Flew straight again but drifted 500 feet where it landed on a roof of a house. Recovered latter to see more chute damage from ejection charge and scraped fins. I will use more wading than the instruction suggest next time, after a new chute is installed.

C.M. (February 5, 2007)

As a B.A.R. I've been re-introducing myself back into the hobby. I've always liked the BullPups and wanted to build a small one before trying an "upscale" Q-Modeling kit. As I couldn't find the Estes kit at Wal-Mart, I ordered it from Rocketry Zone online. The kit came quickly and well packed just two days after the online order. I have some observations about the kit and its construction. The Shock cord seemed too short and was made of sewn elastic, not the rubber band style shown in the directions. The centering rings were notched for a engine hook, not included. I received two small squares of clay weight. The instructions show the installation of one square, but say to use all the weight. At step five the full size fin illustration didn't match my die cut fins. My kit fins were 3/16" short on the leading edge and cut 1/8" short on the tip side. The upper fins were the correct size shown on the plan. I was very disappointed to find "press-on" decals in the kit. The instructions give directions for applying the water-slide type. The parachute was also pre-assembled. The kit gave directions for parachute assembly. Some of the knots slipped at I tried to pull them tight. I know now that the Estes kits are bagged in China. This is certainly not the attention to the kit's parts I was used to in the late 60's and through the 70's. These discrepancies might hurt a first time modeler's rocketry experience. I will try to send a copy of this review to Estes. Thanks for reading my review and good luck! Chris Michielssen

S.W.M. (March 22, 2008)

The Bull Pup 12D is probably my favorite of all model rocket. this was the first rocket I bought as a kid when I got into rockets back in 87 or 88 and I launched it countless numbers of times. I burned up several parachutes in it and even shot the motor mount almost all the way out of the body tube once, but repaired it and kept flying it until I got out of the hobby and eventually broke the model and had it lost as I grew up. I have since bought a new one in my re-birth in rocketry and can not wait for the paint to dry so I can take it out and fire it into the sky. In my opinion it is one of the best rockets you can get for a first time out.

Steve Lindeman (October 22, 2012)

Now this may seem odd, but I inherited my first Bull Pup 12D from my son while he was going through a divorce from his first wife. I was the one who introduced him to the sport as a child during my 2nd B.A.R. period (I'm now in my 3rd and last). So anyway, his had a motor clip installed and I never did find out if it came that way or if he just added it but knowing him it was most likely added. My son sadly is not the best builder or painter and so the rocket was no beauty and not even painted the right color (he had painted the BT & Fins yellow). But for as ugly and rough as it was it was a great flier and I flew it a number of times, mostly on B6-4's. I finally got gutsy one day and launched it on a C6-7 to see how high it would go. Last time I saw it. I liked this rocket so well that I have now bought and built a new one with one modification. This rocket was built for scale compition which means that the forward fins have been moved up on the NC where they belong (check out: http://designation-systems.net/ for photos of the real rocket). I plan to enter this one next year so haven't flown it yet but I can hardly wait.

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