Quest Flat Cat

Quest - Flat Cat {Kit} (3006) [1994-?]

Contributed by Matt Gillard

Construction Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Flight Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Overall Rating: starstarstarstarstar
Diameter: 0.79 inches
Length: 20.00 inches
Manufacturer: Quest
Skill Level: 3
Style: Glider
Quest Flat Cat Bost Glider

Brief:
A pop pod glider for B and C motors. The design is tried and tested and there are two levels of finish: one simple one that is a quick glue together without any airfoils, which is where the flat part of its name comes from, and a second where there is a great deal of sanding involved. Quest puts this rocket at a skill level three which is about right for the airfoil version

Construction:
Kit consists of:

  • 2 inch launch lug.
  • Yellow motor mount tube
  • 8.5 inch white body tube
  • Blue motor thrust ring
  • Plastic nose cone
  • Plastic nose cone base
  • Single gripper tab
  • 2 foot plastic streamer
  • ¼ by ½ by 16 inch balsa fuselage
  • ¼ by ½ by 4 inch balsa pylon
  • 2 Balsa wings
  • Balsa parts set
  • Motor mount clip
  • Trim clay
  • 21 inch white elastic shock cord
  • 18 inch yellow Kevlar® cord
  • Chrome Decal
  • Instruction sheet

To build the kit I used:

  • Model knife
  • sand paper
  • White PVA glue
  • Sanding sealer

The instructions are clear and straightforward. Provided that you read the instructions through a few times, there are no real problems.

You have the two options of finish; I went for the airfoil version, which took nearly an hour of sanding airfoils into the quite thick and firm balsa wings. This option is supposed to give up to 3 minutes of glide time. I normally never put any lifting surfaces on rocket gliders as this usually leads to arched boosts and broken gliders. One thing you have to do is put strong fillets on the joints. The stresses on the joints under thrust are huge and weak joints will have the wings stripping themselves.

Once the glider is finished, it needs to be balanced. The instructions are weak here as they don't give a balance point for the glider, which usually is one third of the wing depth back from the leading edge of the wing. On my Flat Cat, the balance point was bang on the trailing edge of the glider. I was worried about this but with several indoor test throws the Flat Cat glided level every time although the sink rate was steeper than I would have hoped for. More vigorous test throws outside revealed a slight stall and a bank to the right. I added a small blob of clay into the cavity at the front which corrected the stall.

The hook mechanism that releases the glider needs more preparation than the instructions suggest. I have had hook mechanisms fail on pop pod gliders such as the Fun Rockets Silver Hawk and Edmonds Aerospace DeeCee Thunder. For the mechanism to work, the hook needs to be sanded down smooth on both sides and the rear of the hook sanded down a millimeter or so and rounded off so there are no edges to stick.

Sealing the balsa and using very fine sand paper to give a glassy finish on the hook also helps. To make sure separation occurs, a quick spray of silicon grease on the hook also helps. Testing the hook mechanism is as important as testing the stability of the glider. If the glider does not release with a quick jerk of the booster pop pod, then the hook needs further prepping.

Finishing:
Initially I was in too much of a rush to finish the glider by sealing the balsa. After some time in a tree (the glider--not me!) I have sealed it, and the performance has improved.

The foil sheet of stickers supplied add unnecessary weight to the glider and are not needed if the balsa is sealed. After several flights there has been no damage to the balsa with the exception of some very slight charring that was done to the glider on flights done before sealing the balsa

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
Recommended motors are B6-2 or C6-3

I used 2 swatches of Nomex® wadding in the pop pod.

First flight was on a B4-2. Even thought this is not a recommended motor, I didn't have a B6-2. There were very strong winds that day ranging from 10 mph up to very strong gusts. I would not normally fly in these conditions, but I was putting on a small display to a visiting Royal Air Force Air Commodore so rocket gliders seemed to be an obvious choice. The boost was straight, with the rocket tipping past apogee before the glider deployed. The actual glide was very good, with the strong wind the flat cat gained height when flying into the wind, and it gave several circuits in the air. It did however travel a fair distance down wind narrowly missing several trees.

The second and third flights were on A8-3, which does not take the glider up very high but still delivers over a 20 second flight and a circuit or two.

When a calm day arrived I flew on a C6-3. The rocket arched on boost, deploying the glider over a narrow strip wood of trees about 5 meters wide, I watched for a minute the glider circling above the trees before finding a resting place in one.

Five days later I retrieved the rocket with help from one very long pole and some overnight winds. Remarkably, despite the rains there was no damage to the glider apart from some fluffing up of the balsa. I then sealed the glider and retrimmed.

After a few flights more with some trimming, I got a flight of over 2 minutes.

The only con to the Flat Cat is that there is a strong chance of flyaways, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Recovery:
The pop pod recovers on the 2 foot long streamer. The fall rate is a little fast, but so far there has been no damage to the pod. By the 6th flight the Kevlar® cord had burned through. I might swap the streamer for a larger Mylar streamer and attach the cord to the outside of the tube, which looks ugly but it stops shock cord failures.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
This is a great boost glider if you are willing to put in the time to build, test, and trim it.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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Flights

Comments:

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B.M. (August 1, 2000)
The Flat Cat was my first glider kit in 20 years. I found it easy to assemble, but I had reservations about the quality of the wood. The glider wings were some of the heaviest C-grain balsa I have ever seen. (I have a background in model airplanes, and have flown hand launched gliders.) I figured that maybe they used the heavier wood to stand up to the stresses of launching... I was wrong. My glider flies like a brick. I put a light finish on it, but it is just too heavy. Because it is so heavy, it was difficult to trim. Also the high weight translates into high flight speeds, and it breaks somewhere after every flight because it is hits the ground so fast. I'm planning to scratch build another glider, using contest grade balsa. The quality of balsa in kits can vary widely, from light A grain to heavy C-grain. I think the design is good. After reading other's comments, I must have gotten a kit with not-so-great balsa. I found the adhesive on the stickers to be weak-- they wouldn't stay down.
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R.J. (September 1, 2000)
I agree that the stickers adhered poorly. I decided to spray the top of the wings with spray adhesive (masking off the rest of the cat) then putting aluminum foil on top of the adhesive, trimming off the excess afterwards. Looks great.
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B.M. (October 1, 2000)
Update to my comments from 8/00: I made a new set of wings from lighter wood. My glider now flies great. My original needed some tail weight to balance the model. When I put the new wing on, I moved it back about an inch, which allowed me to lose the tail weight. The glider flies so much better! I flew it on an A8-3 and it flew nicely. I then tried a B6-2, and it flew so well I lost the glider. I will definitely be building another one! BTW, I did not bother with the mylar to protect the top of the wing. In my first 2 flights, I saw no sign of exhaust residue.
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(December 1, 2000)
I agree with the comments above. I too replaced the heavy balsa wings with thinner stock and gave them a good airfoil. I have launched my Flatcat 9 times now and it worked great on every flight except on an A engine. B6-2s are the best to use. The C engines work, but you'll risk never seeing it again unless you trim the glider for a nice, slow curve. Overall a very nice kit and a real crowd pleaser!P.D.M.
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HWH (November 9, 2008)
Good review very accurate. I built and flew this kit. It flies GREAT, just don't fly it on a windy day. A helpful hint: definitely put a little turn on your glider by adding a pinch of clay to one wing tip. Also a touch of Day-Glo orange paint or marker on wing tips and/or tail helps in recovery in tall grass. The suggestion to trace the glider wings and tail patterns before assembly (to make spares) is a good one! All in all, this is a great flier. We have "fly offs" between this and our Deltie B.

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